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7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« on: February 20, 2018, 03:10:17 pm »

7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
Kevin McCullough
2/18/2018 12:01:00 AM

After days of bitter hurt, anger, deep savage argument, and plenty of non-thinking social media trolls blurting whatever comes to mind through their thumbs, it’s time we as Americans begin a genuine discussion about how to stop the next school shooting from occurring.

It’s important that we do this even though gun deaths are by no means the most dangerous form of death in America today.

In 2017, with 300,000,000-plus guns in the hands of Americans, there were 15,549 gun deaths. This ranks less than half the number of automobile deaths even though there are fewer cars in existence than guns. In 2017, there were 253,000,000 cars in existence and 41,000 auto deaths.

Nonetheless, the rhetoric is so loud and the anger so tightly wound that a way forward needs to begin. Genuinely good people on both sides of this issue disagree. Pro-gun people believe that owning a gun is one step of many in helping to keep their families safe and their government from becoming too tyrannical. Anti-gun people believe that the mere existence of a gun is a danger to all. But note that both sets of people desire safety in general.

With very little expertise, but with a robust research ability, my staff and I began looking at this issue this week from the perspective of what could be done that would be tangible, but also acceptable to both sides of the discussion. Here’s seven simple steps that can and should be implemented overnight across the country and in similar fashion school shootings would be eliminated. This list is not exhaustive but is a starting point where good-willed people can come together to make a significant difference now.

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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2018, 03:25:58 pm »
Yeah, he left out the most important:

Bring morality training back into schools. Teach the value of life, the existence of God, the eternal consequences of evil, and the importance of goodness (and I'm not talking "goodness" when it comes to being "eco-conscious").
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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 03:57:34 pm »
Yeah, he left out the most important:

Bring morality training back into schools. Teach the value of life, the existence of God, the eternal consequences of evil, and the importance of goodness (and I'm not talking "goodness" when it comes to being "eco-conscious").
You mean into "public" schools, right? Parents are free to send their children to church run schools if they want.

I do NOT recall getting religious education in the public school. I DO remember getting religious education at HOME and at church.
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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 04:36:17 pm »
7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
Kevin McCullough
2/18/2018 12:01:00 AM

After days of bitter hurt, anger, deep savage argument, and plenty of non-thinking social media trolls blurting whatever comes to mind through their thumbs, it’s time we as Americans begin a genuine discussion about how to stop the next school shooting from occurring.

It’s important that we do this even though gun deaths are by no means the most dangerous form of death in America today.

In 2017, with 300,000,000-plus guns in the hands of Americans, there were 15,549 gun deaths. This ranks less than half the number of automobile deaths even though there are fewer cars in existence than guns. In 2017, there were 253,000,000 cars in existence and 41,000 auto deaths.

Nonetheless, the rhetoric is so loud and the anger so tightly wound that a way forward needs to begin. Genuinely good people on both sides of this issue disagree. Pro-gun people believe that owning a gun is one step of many in helping to keep their families safe and their government from becoming too tyrannical. Anti-gun people believe that the mere existence of a gun is a danger to all. But note that both sets of people desire safety in general.

With very little expertise, but with a robust research ability, my staff and I began looking at this issue this week from the perspective of what could be done that would be tangible, but also acceptable to both sides of the discussion. Here’s seven simple steps that can and should be implemented overnight across the country and in similar fashion school shootings would be eliminated. This list is not exhaustive but is a starting point where good-willed people can come together to make a significant difference now.

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https://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2018/02/18/how-to-eliminate-school-shootings-overnight-n2450380
Whatever we do, a good thing would be to either ignore anything a confirmed liberal says about what to do, or do the exact opposite of what they say.
Group hugs and attempted confiscation/banning of guns won't work.

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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2018, 10:23:06 pm »
Whatever we do, a good thing would be to either ignore anything a confirmed liberal says about what to do, or do the exact opposite of what they say.
Group hugs and attempted confiscation/banning of guns won't work.

Hahahaha.  So if I as a liberal say we should do nothing, you'll run out and confiscate guns ;)?  Boy, that was easy.

This article has good suggestions; Israel is doing a lot of good things in this area.  Could we possibly agree?
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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2018, 10:27:57 pm »
Make parents or guardians legally liable for the actions of their child who does this (if under age) and those who knew or enabled (such as non-minors) civilly liable. If someone knows they are facing a murder charge for not getting involved with someone who lives with them or not reporting threats, it may make a lot of people less apathetic.

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« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2018, 10:39:24 pm »

This article has good suggestions; Israel is doing a lot of good things in this area.  Could we possibly agree?

No. A generation ago our schools did not suffer this condition (all but a rarity), with big wide windows, multiple points of entry, no security guards, and no fences... And largely with a student population in possession of knives, and at the least, guns hanging in the back window of every truck.

Making more of a police state is not going to save anything. More hardening does not fix the problem. Every security attempt has it's flaw, and every action a counteraction. Turning schools into prisons is a really bad idea.

The solution is in identifying what is different now, in comparison to then, and fix it to be more like then.

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2018, 10:41:22 pm »
No. A generation ago our schools did not suffer this condition (all but a rarity), with big wide windows, multiple points of entry, no security guards, and no fences...

What the article described is a prison, not a school. If you treat free citizens like prisoners, they will act like it. Yes, arm the teachers (those who are willing) so they have the right to defend themselves and their students and have an armed guard, but locking the entire place down like a prison is not the answer- and as we've seen from inner city schools that have full lock down like this- ineffective.

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2018, 11:03:13 pm »
What the article described is a prison, not a school. If you treat free citizens like prisoners, they will act like it. Yes, arm the teachers (those who are willing) so they have the right to defend themselves and their students and have an armed guard, but locking the entire place down like a prison is not the answer- and as we've seen from inner city schools that have full lock down like this- ineffective.

It's interesting; the Israelis I know don't think of their schools as prison-like.   
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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2018, 11:07:51 pm »
What the article described is a prison, not a school. If you treat free citizens like prisoners, they will act like it. Yes, arm the teachers (those who are willing) so they have the right to defend themselves and their students and have an armed guard, but locking the entire place down like a prison is not the answer- and as we've seen from inner city schools that have full lock down like this- ineffective.

Alright, but still ineffective.

All that works is to allow good kids to counteract bullies.
What stops this is for children to be imbued with the right sense that THEY must rise to defend themselves and others and give them the tools to do so.

Similar in fashion to the ROTC lad. Now there's a boy with right thinking. Howabout a hundred more of those in the school, as a matter of normal course of education?

Howabout defensive tactics classes, hunter's safety, target training, sponsored shooting sports? MOST boys would sign up for that sort of thing. And it extolls the male sense of things. Provides a structure to imbue a sense of honor.

You can go as far as you like down the road to prevention. The problem is that the kids themselves are not trained up to be ready for, and commit, the last act of defiance.




 

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2018, 11:34:51 pm »
It's interesting; the Israelis I know don't think of their schools as prison-like.

Israel is a literal war zone. The risk isn't other students or youts with mental issues, but actual state sponsored terrorism.

Israel also started removing metal detectors at schools and even the Temple Mount a few years ago and things didn't get worse.

Being reactionary to every event takes the slippery slope and turns it into a cliff.

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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2018, 01:53:17 am »
roamer wrote:
"The solution is in identifying what is different now, in comparison to then, and fix it to be more like then."

Back to 1954.
What was different then?

Hey, I like it!

I checked over the townhall article.
Most of the suggestions will do nothing to "prevent" future shootings like this.
Nothing at all.

A suggestion was made above as to how the Israelis handle things.
I recall seeing pics of Israeli teachers escorting their kids around -- with RIFLES strapped to their backs. Think we're gonna see that here, in schools where perhaps 70% (or more) of the teachers lean leftist-communist?

Here's my suggestion #8 (not in the original article):
Train and arm high a select group of high school seniors who will then carry openly in class. At least they'll be "there", in a position to offer immediate response to an invading shooter.
Got to be careful about who you pick for this work, however.
Probably would do more than anything the author wrote.

Perhaps we should bring back prison-like "reform schools" for the dangerous kids (as this shooter certainly demonstrated himself to be, well before he went crazy). Do something dangerous, or make threats to do so, and get committed until you're 18. Then, do it again and go to the grown mens' prison.

But if we can't go back to 1954 (see above), we're going to have to face up to a hard, bitter reality:
These shootings will continue to happen.

That's about the whole of it. Society has changed to where a small but threatening number of youths have become desensitized and dangerous to others, as was this guy Cruz. Every now and then one is just going to "go off" and do something. Some are going to be impossible to predict.

As I posted yesterday here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,304860.msg1610304.html#msg1610304
... this is what "the price of the freedom of gun ownership" has become in today's society, for better or worse. Every now and then, some innocent folks are going to die at the hands of a sudden-lunatic like Cruz. We can try our best to stop them, and we will stop some. But not all. A few (a year) are gonna squirm through the cracks.

Is this price worth paying for the freedom of gun ownership?
What say you?

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Re: 7 Simple Steps to Eliminate School Shootings Overnight
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2018, 02:40:14 am »
A suggestion was made above as to how the Israelis handle things.
I recall seeing pics of Israeli teachers escorting their kids around -- with RIFLES strapped to their backs. Think we're gonna see that here, in schools where perhaps 70% (or more) of the teachers lean leftist-communist?


That is a remarkably astute point.  They are as a group, in the vanguard of liberalism, and likely have not ever held a gun in their hands.

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Here's my suggestion #8 (not in the original article):
Train and arm high a select group of high school seniors who will then carry openly in class. At least they'll be "there", in a position to offer immediate response to an invading shooter.
Got to be careful about who you pick for this work, however.
Probably would do more than anything the author wrote.


I am close to this... I have already opined that schools should offer defensive tactics classes, hunter's safety, restore support for school shooting teams, and such.

My premise remains that as for me and mine, we will ignore laws designed to keep us from protecting ourselves, because, in this precise situation, were I a parent standing helplessly outside that school, I would be greatly comforted that my kid was armed within, and had the education necessary to be responsible with it. And if worst comes to worst, were he to be one of those selected, that he would have the ability and the wherewithal to realize the point of light and darkness, and without hesitation, put a dot in that dude's eye.

The principle at stake is the right of any American citizen to defend himself and others... anywhere, and anytime. The removal of that right is precisely why there is a problem here (and airplanes too, btw)

Had such a thing happened in our day, I can guarantee there'd be thirty redneck boys running out to their trucks and then running back in. Boys used to all but the shooting back - used to working together in work and hunt, used to dividing into groups with natural leaders already present to command those units...  Several of the best shots (and we would all know who they are) would be deployed for a sniper's advantage, and all of that orchestrated (comms included), seat-of-the-pants and ad-hoc, with a very good chance of wrecking the dude before the hut-huts ever even got in their truck to come over.

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Perhaps we should bring back prison-like "reform schools" for the dangerous kids (as this shooter certainly demonstrated himself to be, well before he went crazy). Do something dangerous, or make threats to do so, and get committed until you're 18. Then, do it again and go to the grown mens' prison.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with military schools, or outright military.


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But if we can't go back to 1954 (see above), we're going to have to face up to a hard, bitter reality:
These shootings will continue to happen.

That's about the whole of it. Society has changed to where a small but threatening number of youths have become desensitized and dangerous to others, as was this guy Cruz. Every now and then one is just going to "go off" and do something. Some are going to be impossible to predict.

Then change the society back. This particular facet is entirely due to taking fighting out of the school. Either this is likely to be a bully who was never put down, or one disaffected, because no one ever stood up to the bully. boys need to grow up wit a sense of justice, and the ability to act squarely in its cause.  That requires a sense of honor. That requires standing up to be counted. That requires fighting and winning, and fighting and losing. Perhaps that alone, endowed all the way along, would prevent this sort of thing, even as it didn't occur back then. Coddling these children (the good and the bad) and removing initiative and honor is a big portion of the 'why' here.

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As I posted yesterday here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,304860.msg1610304.html#msg1610304
... this is what "the price of the freedom of gun ownership" has become in today's society, for better or worse. Every now and then, some innocent folks are going to die at the hands of a sudden-lunatic like Cruz. We can try our best to stop them, and we will stop some. But not all. A few (a year) are gonna squirm through the cracks.

Is this price worth paying for the freedom of gun ownership?
What say you?

Oh, hell yes. not even a pittance by comparison. But, in fact, alll of this sort of behavior can be turned around in a decade. Repentance of this way is what is needed. Go back to what works.