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SOURCE: LIFE SITE NEWS

URL: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-stuff-of-tyranny-christian-baker-scores-major-victory

by Fr. Mark Hodges



BAKERSFIELD, California – It would be a violation of free speech for a Christian baker to be forced to make a same-sex "wedding" cake, a California judge ruled on Monday.

Cathy Miller owns Tastries Bakery, where 40 percent of her business is wedding cakes, many of which she personally designs. Last August two lesbians asked her to design a special cake to celebrate their “marriage,” and Miller politely redirected them to an accommodating competitor.

Nevertheless, as is the well-established LGBT pattern, the lesbians sued Miller anyway. They filed a complaint with the state Department of Fair Employment and Housing, accusing Miller of violating California’s Unruh Civil Rights Act, which criminalizes denying service based on sexual orientation. Oral arguments were heard Friday.

Judge Lampe said that to force a Christian to create a cake that celebrates something against their religion is "violence."

“The State is not petitioning the court to order defendants to sell a cake. The State asks this court to compel Miller to use her talents to design and create a cake she has not yet conceived with the knowledge that her work will be displayed in celebration of a marital union her religion forbids,” Judge Lampe’s ruling reads. “For this court to force such compliance would do violence to the essentials of Free Speech.”

The judge issued his ruling Monday, stating it would only be discrimination if Miller refused to sell an existing product to the lesbians. He discerned that forcing a business owner to violate his/her beliefs is “the stuff of tyranny.”

“Cathy will gladly serve anyone, including same-sex couples,” Charles LiMandri of the Freedom of Conscience Defense Fund explained to the court. “But Cathy will not use her artistic talents to express messages that conflict with her sincerely held religious beliefs about marriage.”

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This issue finally found a Judge who does not have the Liberal agenda blinders on. From the beginning, this case was always an open-and-shut issue. You cannot, through force of State, force anyone to create a work of art.


You could try to capture an artist and beat him until he paints your portrait, but it will never work. Art comes from the soul and heart of a person. It cannot ever be forced, no matter how much the artist is starved and beaten.


And who would want to eat a cake made by a person who has already declared that he does not want to make it? I wouldn't eat it. It would have a bad aftertaste.


But, we all know this was never about a cake. It is and always was about the gay mafia persecuting Christians just for the hell of it. Finally, a Judge with common sense put an end to this nonsense.


The day I see a gay couple suing an anti-homosexual Muslim bakery (which will never happen), I may believe that the homosexuals are at least a tiny bit serious. Until then, this will come across as what it is, anti-Christian bigotry.
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Exactly right!  I was too lazy to right that this morning.
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it would be ‘tyranny’ to force Christian to bake cake for lesbian ‘marriage’

Yes.  Yes it is.

And yet we have our resident Leftist insisting that tyranny is coming from Christians who refuse to submit and serve a homosexual celebration of perversion with their art, craft and business services.

But, we all know this was never about a cake. It is and always was about the gay mafia persecuting Christians just for the hell of it. Finally, a Judge with common sense put an end to this nonsense.

The day I see a gay couple suing an anti-homosexual Muslim bakery (which will never happen), I may believe that the homosexuals are at least a tiny bit serious. Until then, this will come across as what it is, anti-Christian bigotry.

Yes, and AMEN!

It was never about 'equality' - it was about punishing Christians for their belief that their behavior is sinful and reprehensible.

Because Liberal Left is allied with Islam in opposition to a common enemy - the Gay Mafia will not attempt to demand a Muslim bakery make them cakes to celebrate their behavior.
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There are a lot of people in this country (and even one on this board) who wholeheartedly support tyranny.
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There are a lot of people in this country (and even one on this board) who wholeheartedly support tyranny.

Unfortunately, that is very true!
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There are a lot of people in this country (and even one on this board) who wholeheartedly support tyranny.


Yes, but only if it's the right kind of tyranny - whatever that means.
I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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This issue finally found a Judge who does not have the Liberal agenda blinders on. From the beginning, this case was always an open-and-shut issue. You cannot, through force of State, force anyone to create a work of art.


I am interested in knowing WHO appointed this judge. It would never have been Governor Moonbeam or Grey Davis. I'm not even sure if Arnold appointed the judge.

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I am interested in knowing WHO appointed this judge. It would never have been Governor Moonbeam or Grey Davis. I'm not even sure if Arnold appointed the judge.

I stand corrected. This judge was never appointed.

It says here:

https://ballotpedia.org/David_R._Lampe

California held general elections for local judicial offices on November 8, 2016. There was a primary on June 7, 2016. The filing deadline for candidates who wished to run in this election was March 31, 2016. A total of 351 seats were up for election. Incumbent David R. Lampe ran unopposed in the election for Office 19 of the Kern County Superior Court.

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There are a lot of people in this country (and even one on this board) who wholeheartedly support tyranny.

Guess he shot his wad weighing in on this case in a previous thread the other day.
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I'm more than sure that even if the homosexuals forced a Christian baker to make them a cake, they would never eat it. They would defile it, make fun of it, and eventually throw it out.

If I owned a Christian bakery, and some Judge through 'force of State' forced me to make a cake for a homosexual wedding, I would agree to make it with one caveat.

I would petition the Judge, 'If you are going to force me to make the cake by force of Law, then you also have to force them to eat the cake, by force of Law. That is to say that if I make it, they have to eat it. And I want to be there, to be able to witness them eating it. Eat up boys. Enjoy it.
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
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I'm more than sure that even if the homosexuals forced a Christian baker to make them a cake, they would never eat it. They would defile it, make fun of it, and eventually throw it out.

If I owned a Christian bakery, and some Judge through 'force of State' forced me to make a cake for a homosexual wedding, I would agree to make it with one caveat.

I would petition the Judge, 'If you are going to force me to make the cake by force of Law, then you also have to force them to eat the cake, by force of Law. That is to say that if I make it, they have to eat it. And I want to be there, to be able to witness them eating it. Eat up boys. Enjoy it.

No force of the state can impel or make me defy the law of God to do that which is accommodating abomination. 

Even if their agents want to put a gun to my head and force me to do what they demand.

Hopefully if the homo tyrants ever actually get away with doing that under the color of law - the Statists they get to do their bidding will quickly run out of agents to enforce that mandate.
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No force of the state can impel or make me defy the law of God to do that which is accommodating abomination. 

Even if their agents want to put a gun to my head and force me to do what they demand.

Hopefully if the homo tyrants ever actually get away with doing that under the color of law - the Statists they get to do their bidding will quickly run out of agents to enforce that mandate.

Well, if you make the cake out of blessed communion bread, and blessed holy water, and blessed communion wine, who knows? Watch them eat it while reciting the Lord's prayer, and maybe you will save some of them.

Hey. You guys wanted a 'Christian' cake. Well, here it is. Now eat it!
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You cannot "COEXIST" with people who want to kill you.
If they kill their own with no conscience, there is nothing to stop them from killing you.
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Well, if you make the cake out of blessed communion bread, and blessed holy water, and blessed communion wine, who knows? Watch them eat it while the Lord's prayer, and maybe you will save some of them.


Hey. You guys wanted a 'Christian' cake. Well, here it is. Now eat it!
Bad idea, really. Nothing would give some people greater pleasure than to obtain the consecrated host to defile.  But having something like an appropriate Bible verse printed on the platter underneath might be good.
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Is this the judge's final ruling on this, or is this the same story we were talking about the other day that was just the judge declining an injunction?
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Is this the judge's final ruling on this, or is this the same story we were talking about the other day that was just the judge declining an injunction?

Same one.  June is the trail date.
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Same one.  June is the trail date.

Yeah, I just looked at the huffingandPuffington Website, and they said it was June.  Too bad for lifesitenews that their reporting is so sloppy.
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I am interested in knowing WHO appointed this judge. It would never have been Governor Moonbeam or Grey Davis. I'm not even sure if Arnold appointed the judge.
Schwarzenegger, in his one act of sanity.

Later that same judge ran for the position and got elected.
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