First Excerpts of Nunes Memo Released

[Frank Cannon]

It’s not irrelevant, because there’s no way of knowing if they would have pursued this particular avenue if it had not been started.  It’s like someone bought wires, chemicals, and a container, then another person came along and assembled a bomb from it.  You’d probably want to know where the materials came from.

You don't make any sense. This dossier was a fraud. The person who testified to congress said they knew it was a fraud. Everyone knew it was unsubstantiated. When the Obama regime went for the FISA warrant they intentionally omitted that this dossier came from the Clinton campaign and that no one could verify it. All they wanted was to get an investigation on Trump going no matter what.

This is no different than some drunk writing on a dirty napkin that Trump rapes kids and then passes it to the Obama DOJ and they use it as the basis of a FISA warrant and not tell the judges where the info came from and pass it off as investigated vetted material.

[Oceander]

Using the dossier to get FISA wiretapping is the illegal act.

Under what statute?

At most this would be grounds for having the warrant squashed and all evidence obtained under it, or because of it, excluded. 

[edpc]

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Treason - as defined under US code.  Debate as to if this qualifies shall ensue....

[Bigun]

You don't make any sense. This dossier was a fraud. The person who testified to congress said they knew it was a fraud. Everyone knew it was unsubstantiated. When the Obama regime went for the FISA warrant they intentionally omitted that this dossier came from the Clinton campaign and that no one could verify it. All they wanted was to get an investigation on Trump going no matter what.

This is no different than some drunk writing on a dirty napkin that Trump rapes kids and then passes it to the Obama DOJ and they use it as the basis of a FISA warrant and not tell the judges where the info came from and pass it off as investigated vetted material.

@Frank Cannon

Yep!  That's pretty much my take on it as well. If this is allowed to go unpunished NO ONE is safe.

[Oceander]

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Treason - as defined under US code.  Debate as to if this qualifies shall ensue....

It’s not treason.

[LMAO]

The market is reacting to this news ... and it's not happy.

And that is probably to be expected.

[Frank Cannon]

Under what statute?

At most this would be grounds for having the warrant squashed and all evidence obtained under it, or because of it, excluded.

Technically perjury is involved, not that anyone has ever been arrested for lying on a warrant. Courts just throw the information out.

[driftdiver]

Under what statute?

At most this would be grounds for having the warrant squashed and all evidence obtained under it, or because of it, excluded.

@Oceander
Which of course you can't get the warrant squashed because you don't know a FISA warrant exists in most cases.   

They (the FBI & DOJ) used information they new was not accurate in a warrant.  They lied to the judge.  They did this in order to control an election and spy on an newly elected President.

If you or I had done this the FBI would be all up in our stuff right now.

[XenaLee]

Like hell it's not!

Lol!  It's only "not treason" if the people involved in the treason do not consider America as their country.  And in Obama's case, we already know that to be the case (Kenya? Iran?).   But.... since they all vowed to uphold the US Constitution, they are all guilty of betraying that vow via their corruption and treachery.  Not sure what country Hillary owes her allegiance to, but it sure as hell ain't the USA.  Bottom line, both Hillary and Obama are enemy operatives.

[jpsb]

Maybe the Rats objecting to "the Memo" need to watch The Post, it is playing now in a theater
in DC

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[Oceander]

@Frank Cannon

Yep!  That's pretty much my take on it as well. If this is allowed to go unpunished NO ONE is safe.

If they do, itll be through the political process.  Prosecutors can, and do, routinely do much worse on garden variety warrants and indictments, and their absolute immunity for their actions in office protects them from suit. 

[Oceander]

Maybe the Rats objecting to "the Memo" need to watch The Post, it playing now in a theater
in DC

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Agreed.

[240B]

Mueller will not resign over this. His 'mission' is to damage Trump and his administration in any way he can, no matter what. If anything, he will force Trump to fire him just for the political fallout from that.


Mueller is not a man of integrity. He cares nothing about truth or law. If Mueller was truely acting in good-faith, he would have resigned long ago based on no evidence. The fact the Mueller keeps this circus going, in and of itself, proves that he is a partisan hack with a goal of hectoring, hindering, and damaging Trump.


This will make no difference to him since he is already operating outside the bounds of normal dignified rules. The best outcome would be if Congress voted to disband his cabal of anti-Trump Hillary supporters who are pretending to investigate a crime that never happened, a crime which is solely based on hyperpartisan rumors and speculation.

[edpc]

You don't make any sense. This dossier was a fraud. The person who testified to congress said they knew it was a fraud. Everyone knew it was unsubstantiated. When the Obama regime went for the FISA warrant they intentionally omitted that this dossier came from the Clinton campaign and that no one could verify it. All they wanted was to get an investigation on Trump going no matter what.

This is no different than some drunk writing on a dirty napkin that Trump rapes kids and then passes it to the Obama DOJ and they use it as the basis of a FISA warrant and not tell the judges where the info came from and pass it off as investigated vetted material.

You’re the one not making sense.  The whole point is the dossier was politically motivated.  That motivation started with an opponent of Trump on the Republican side.  If it matters it came from the Clinton campaign, it sure as hell matters where it originated.

[truth_seeker]

Under what statute?

At most this would be grounds for having the warrant squashed and all evidence obtained under it, or because of it, excluded.

I don't know the statute, but I am confident that KNOWINGLY lying to the court, misleading the court, withholding important facts from the court, would be illegal.

Don't you ??

@Oceander

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/50/1805

[Oceander]

@Oceander
Which of course you can't get the warrant squashed because you don't know a FISA warrant exists in most cases.   

They (the FBI & DOJ) used information they new was not accurate in a warrant.  They lied to the judge.  They did this in order to control an election and spy on an newly elected President.

If you or I had done this the FBI would be all up in our stuff right now.

That’s as may be, but it’s not generally a criminal violation unless the FISA law makes it so.  In fact, prosecutors and police routinely get away with making sh*t up in garden variety warrants all the time and their immunity protects them. 

The response will have to be political and it will have to be grass-roots.  Sitting around hoping that President Trump is going to ride in on a white horse and save us all by prosecuting these people is foolish, and going off on tirades about how this is treason and etc is just going to waste what is a most useful crisis, to paraphrase Obama’s original chief of staff. 

And this is one reason why FISA is such a bad idea:  it is so susceptible to abuse. 

[driftdiver]

You’re the one not making sense.  The whole point is the dossier was politically motivated.  That motivation started with an opponent of Trump on the Republican side.  If it matters it came from the Clinton campaign, it sure as hell matters where it originated.

@edpc
It may have started with the Republicans ( if it did) but that doesn't matter now.   If it did start with a republican then it was for the campaign and part of the campaign.   Even IF the democrats paid for it and it was only used publicly it is just normal politics.

No the Clintons had connections with the Russians.  They used money from the Clinton Foundation to pay the russians and pay the company that completed the dossier.   THEN they went to the FBI DOJ, NSA CIA to collection more information.  Lied to a judge to get FISA warrant.   Lied again to the FISA court to renew the warrant.  All while plotting to 1) keep Trump from winning and 2) remove him as President after he won.  This is being done at the Director level in those agencies.

Oh this is a big deal

[Oceander]

I don't know the statute, but I am confident that KNOWINGLY lying to the court, misleading the court, withholding important facts from the court, would be illegal.

Don't you ??

At most contempt of court, and only if the court chooses to act, and the contempt has for the most part been purged now by the release of the information. 

This happens all the time with garden variety warrants:  magical confidential informants who are known to be trustworthy, without the c.i. ever showing up in court. 

Do some research on prosecutorial abuses of power; you’ll be shocked (I hope) at what they routinely get away with. 

[driftdiver]

That’s as may be, but it’s not generally a criminal violation unless the FISA law makes it so.  In fact, prosecutors and police routinely get away with making sh*t up in garden variety warrants all the time and their immunity protects them. 

The response will have to be political and it will have to be grass-roots.  Sitting around hoping that President Trump is going to ride in on a white horse and save us all by prosecuting these people is foolish, and going off on tirades about how this is treason and etc is just going to waste what is a most useful crisis, to paraphrase Obama’s original chief of staff. 

And this is one reason why FISA is such a bad idea:  it is so susceptible to abuse.

@Oceander
It may be a waste of time to wish for prosecution but it is not wrong.

These people should be jailed if not hung.  They have undermined our Nation. 

[driftdiver]

I don't know the statute, but I am confident that KNOWINGLY lying to the court, misleading the court, withholding important facts from the court, would be illegal.

Don't you ??

@truth_seeker
@Oceander is a lawyer.  he makes his living lying to the court.

[INVAR]

Which of course you can't get the warrant squashed because you don't know a FISA warrant exists in most cases.   

They (the FBI & DOJ) used information they new was not accurate in a warrant.  They lied to the judge.  They did this in order to control an election and spy on an newly elected President.

If you or I had done this the FBI would be all up in our stuff right now.

Yes, but when a Clinton (and apparently anyone associated with a Clinton) lies to a Judge, it becomes a political circus, but nothing of substance in terms of justice ever comes from it.

[DCPatriot]

They went 'all-in' on Clinton becoming President. That is, they ignored any 'laws' or 'rules' because they thought it wouldn't matter. Because they knew that if they were successful, and Clinton did take office, they would be rewarded instead of being prosecuted.


All of this just goes to show what an amazing miracle it was that Trump won. Trump won the Presidency with every single organization with tremendous power in the United States trying to stop him, even if they had to break the law to do it.

...and a Blessing.

Don't get me started....

[Frank Cannon]

You’re the one not making sense.  The whole point is the dossier was politically motivated.  That motivation started with an opponent of Trump on the Republican side.  If it matters it came from the Clinton campaign, it sure as hell matters where it originated.

Why? It could have originated from Santa Clause. All that matters is where it ended up (Clinton). What they did with it (Give it to the Obama DOJ). Where it went from there (FISA evidence).

Then there is this nugget:

The memo shows that after former British spy Christopher Steele was cut off from the FBI, he continued to pass information, as did Fusion GPS, through Justice Department Official Bruce Ohr.  Ohr’s wife Nellie began working for Fusion GPS as early as May 2016.

It also claims evidence that Steele has a personal animus for the President Trump.

    "Steele 'was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president'"
    - FISA memo

"Steele admitted to Ohr his feelings against then Candidate Trump, in September of 2016, when Steele told Ohr, that he Steele 'was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president," the memo reads, according to an excerpt obtained by Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/02/house-memo-states-disputed-dossier-was-key-to-fbi-s-fisa-warrant-to-surveil-members-team-trump.html

[DCPatriot]

And to think.... we came "..." this close to becoming a full-fledged commie/banana republic under Evita Clinton.  Whew!

Exactly!!

[Oceander]

Like hell it's not!

No, it’s not.  There was no giving aid and comfort to the country’s enemies; there was abuse of executive authority for domestic political gain.