Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats
NY Times, Jan 25, 2018, MICHAEL D. SHEAR and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON — President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provide a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a massive border wall and a vast crackdown on other illegal immigrants already living in the country.

Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal by the president, White House officials said they hoped it will be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.

But the plan — drafted by Stephen Miller, the president’s hard-line domestic policy adviser and John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff — was immediately rejected by Democrats, pro-immigration activists and some Republicans, with some describing it as nothing but an attempt to rid the country of immigrants and close the nation’s borders.


More: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-immigration-plan-white-house.html

[Right_in_Virginia]

[skeeter]

I'm not ready to begin cheering yet.

Especially considering what I would consider a 'tough concession from democrats' certainly does not align with that of the NYT.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm not ready to begin cheering yet.

Especially considering what I would consider a 'tough concession from democrats' certainly does not align with that of the NYT.

Now the race begins .... 

[skeeter]

Now the race begins ....

Oh. You gotta find a green flag then.

[INVAR]

[Fantom]

Now the race begins ....

That is racist. Not too mention HP privileged.

[bilo]

I like the way Trump has turned the discussion around. The Pubs are willing to accept the Daca illegals in return for real reforms and border security. Most Americans find this to be a reasonable position. The pressure is all on the Rats now. Why aren't they willing to take the deal, unless maybe they never really wanted a deal that would stop the flow of illegals into the country. Now how would that help them 

Oh now I got it! The children of the illegals will vote for them and the illegals have been coming since the mid 80's so there's already a growing number that can vote.

[skeeter]

I like the way Trump has turned the discussion around. The Pubs are willing to accept the Daca illegals in return for real reforms and border security. Most Americans find this to be a reasonable position. The pressure is all on the Rats now. Why aren't they willing to take the deal, unless maybe they never really wanted a deal that would stop the flow of illegals into the country. Now how would that help them 

Oh now I got it! The children of the illegals will vote for them and the illegals have been coming since the mid 80's so there's already a growing number that can vote.

The only encouraging thing about this deal, such as its being reported now, is that it doesn't give citizenship immediately. Because we all know the democrats will promise anything for tomorrow in exchange for action on their priorities today. Its possible they'll refuse to agree to this fiasco on that point.

[Fantom]

Folks, in wrestlin' this is called a "reversal". Now Cryin' Schumer ET. Al. have to argue against citizenship for "Dreamers".

Of course that comes with the wall, boarder security, end of chain migration, and probably mandatory e-verify.

Citizenship in 10-12 years for "dreamers" in exchange for that... or even most of that. I wonder how those 700,000 to 1.5 million would vote on this.

Trump ain't orange... He's Pink... "All In all, It's just Another Brick in the Wall".

[edpc]

Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal by the president, White House officials said they hoped it will be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.


‘Take it or leave it.’  GTFOOH.  They’ve already moved so far from their original positions before negotiations began.  It’ll move further and it won’t be for the better.

[edpc]

Citizenship in 10-12 years for "dreamers" in exchange for that... or even most of that. I wonder how those 700,000 to 1.5 million would vote on this.

There’s no guarantee he’d be president in 4 years.  He definitely won’t be in 8, so there’s nothing stopping the next president from speeding up their full citizenship. 

[Emjay]

Trump Immigration Plan Demands Tough Concessions From Democrats
NY Times, Jan 25, 2018, MICHAEL D. SHEAR and SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON — President Trump proposed legislation on Thursday that would provide a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million young, undocumented immigrants in exchange for an end to decades of family-based migration policies, a massive border wall and a vast crackdown on other illegal immigrants already living in the country.

Describing the plan as “extremely generous” but a take-it-or-leave-it proposal by the president, White House officials said they hoped it will be embraced by conservatives and centrists in Congress as the first step in an even broader effort to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.

But the plan — drafted by Stephen Miller, the president’s hard-line domestic policy adviser and John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff — was immediately rejected by Democrats, pro-immigration activists and some Republicans, with some describing it as nothing but an attempt to rid the country of immigrants and close the nation’s borders.


More: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/us/politics/trump-immigration-plan-white-house.html

This plan sounds decent to me.  Also, I trust Miller and Kelly.  We'll find out more but I'm certainly not condemning it.

[libertybele]

There’s no guarantee he’d be president in 4 years.  He definitely won’t be in 8, so there’s nothing stopping the next president from speeding up their full citizenship.

Exactly!  I am absolutely appalled by Trump's proposal ... 1.8 million - that's a lot of DEM voters!  This sets a precedent for 20,000,000+ illegals already here -- more amnesty -- more DEM voters.  This will not only destroy any chance of seating another GOP president but this move will destroy the sovereignty of our country!!  So ... thinking ahead ... imagine 20,000,000+ illegals voting for a DEM president...imagine a majority DEM Senate and House and liberals who will tear down the wall (if it ever gets built) ... liberals who will allow millions of Muslim terrorists into this country while ending are 2nd amendment rights ...we will be prime for Sharia law and in the meantime Socialism will be in full swing!  This is what's at stake and this is what Trump is willing to allow to happen ...he's part of the swamp after all ... all this hoopla about finally investigating Hillary and Bammy and holding them accountable ... is nothing more than a horse and pony show.  His promise of building a wall and NO AMNESTY was nothing more than a really, good sales pitch.

[ConservativeGranny]

And Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown once again!

[INVAR]

And Lucy pulls the football away from Charlie Brown once again!

Justifications and lengthy explanations for the purpose of illustrating how wrong you are and what an incredible genius move Trump has made here will begin shortly if not having begun already.

[libertybele]

Justifications and lengthy explanations for the purpose of illustrating how wrong you are and what an incredible genius move Trump has made here will begin shortly if not having begun already.

Genius move??  Granting amnesty to 1.8 million illegals is hardly a genius move.

[TomSea]

I still say this is all part of the maneuvering. Does one want a wall built?  Does one want an end to chain migration? Also, there are amnesty hawks out there like Tom Cotton, this is just the opening salvo.  That 10-12 years must mean "if the wall is built".  It's a starting point.

All that said, I don't like it. Somewhere though, especially with this Senate, you can't have a perfect bill.

[TomSea]

I don't like it. The Democrats may well not like it either.

It's bad for things to stay static as well, nothing ever being done to truly secure the border. We've hired more agents, ICE is active, so there is some good. Everyone will give their input, Border Patrol Union and so on and we will see where we stand.

[INVAR]

Genius move??  Granting amnesty to 1.8 million illegals is hardly a genius move.

I'm sorry that I forgot to include a /sarc tag to my comment.

But... the justifications are already being made and yes, some Trump fans out there are declaring it a genius move.

[BassWrangler]

 

It's 19 dimensional chess, don't-ya-know. Let the logical contortions begin.

[INVAR]

Somewhere though, especially with this Senate, you can't have a perfect bill.

We cannot have a 'perfect' bill. 

We cannot have a 'perfect' candidate.

The meme out there is that we must compromise with the Left, because all of us suck, and it is the only way that anything positive can get done.   Therefore, we must expect good things from bad people, because no one is perfect and we should only expect a little bit, here and there, occasionally, sometimes... and maybe never.



Do people honestly ask themselves how is it possible that this country slid into Statism and Socialism?

[TomSea]

Our immigration system is so messed up to begin with, that "birthright" decision, imo and in the opinion of many legal scholars is not correct.

And chain migration? How many come in by that means every year? What if it were a million a year by chain migration? That might possibly even this proposed bill if it is making only 1.8 million American citizens.  I know some might not want to think about this angle, it is easier to say we should not accept any AND end chain migration.

I think one of these terrorist acts in the US, not sure if anyone was killed, maybe the guy who drove the van into people in NYC, was part of chain migration where they say 30 folks came over with that family? I mean that is outrageous, I"m probably exaggerating "30" but it still serves as an example.

I mean, what's the point of denying 1.8 million dreamers citizenship if we end up giving it in this backdoor manner anyway?  Maybe it takes a number of years to make up that 1.8 million, who knows?

@libertybele 's concerns are very valid. I think I will see if I can find anything on this "chain migration".

[roamer_1]

Genius move??  Granting amnesty to 1.8 million illegals is hardly a genius move.

AND 'I'll pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today' on the wall =>Reagan amnesty all over again.
Hunter's fence has been law for how long now, and it still ain't there.

It's all so SOSDD.

[libertybele]

I'm sorry that I forgot to include a /sarc tag to my comment.

But... the justifications are already being made and yes, some Trump fans out there are declaring it a genius move.

...ok...that's more like you and I should have figured that out.