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How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« on: January 25, 2018, 03:14:54 pm »

How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
By Derek Hawkins January 24 at 5:18 AM

Lisa and A.J. Demaree’s decade-long legal ordeal started with, by all accounts, an utterly innocent family moment.

In 2008, the couple took their three daughters, then ages 5, 4 and 1½, on a vacation to San Diego. They snapped more than 100 photos during the trip, like parents do, including several of the girls playing together during bath time. When they returned to their home in Peoria, Ariz., they dropped the camera’s memory stick off at a Walmart for developing.

Within a day, a police detective came knocking.

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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2018, 04:17:09 pm »
Wow.  It is hard to begin to understand the government employee motives in this. 
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2018, 04:21:15 pm »
Quote from: thackney on January 25, 2018, 04:17:09 pm
Wow.  It is hard to begin to understand the government employee motives in this. 

No it's not. It all starts with this simple principle: We know better than you, peon.
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2018, 04:31:10 pm »
Gotta give credit to the 9th Circuit for disagreeing with the government-employee immunity.

I had relatives go through something similar when their daughter fell on steps and got a bump on the back of her head.  The kids were taken, even though the doctor said he didn't think it was abuse, the policy was that he had to report it and the CPS came in and removed the kids during the (slow) investigation.  This girl already had developmental difficulties, and removing her from her parents was doing damage to her.  The father figured he'd better resign from his senior position at their church, and fortunately, the grandparents were able to travel and care for the children for a month.

While there are bad cases out there, I think this overaggressive approach is ridiculous...though I have to feel some empathy for the government drones -- it's not their policies they are having to enforce.  It's the elected officials and senior bureaucrats who are setting the policies to act this way.
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2018, 04:35:15 pm »


Call child protective services....oh wait they didn't have one of those back then.
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2018, 04:41:30 pm »
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Gotta give credit to the 9th Circuit for disagreeing with the government-employee immunity.

I had relatives go through something similar when their daughter fell on steps and got a bump on the back of her head.  The kids were taken, even though the doctor said he didn't think it was abuse, the policy was that he had to report it and the CPS came in and removed the kids during the (slow) investigation.  This girl already had developmental difficulties, and removing her from her parents was doing damage to her.  The father figured he'd better resign from his senior position at their church, and fortunately, the grandparents were able to travel and care for the children for a month.

While there are bad cases out there, I think this overaggressive approach is ridiculous...though I have to feel some empathy for the government drones -- it's not their policies they are having to enforce.  It's the elected officials and senior bureaucrats who are setting the policies to act this way.

I read the washpo article and I have no sympathy for the CPS “drones” who started this mess off; it’s pretty clear they made a discretionary decision that wasn’t mandated by law or written policy. 
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2018, 04:48:47 pm »
Quote from: bolobaby on January 25, 2018, 04:21:15 pm
No it's not. It all starts with this simple principle: We know better than you, peon.

And... let's not forget the Hillary principle.... "it takes a village".  A village of idiots, that is.
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Re: How an Arizona couple’s innocent bath-time photos of their kids set off a 10-year legal saga
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2018, 05:03:10 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 25, 2018, 04:41:30 pm
I read the washpo article and I have no sympathy for the CPS “drones” who started this mess off; it’s pretty clear they made a discretionary decision that wasn’t mandated by law or written policy.

Yes, in this case, I agree.

I wasn't clear.  I was referring to those who do get caught in the mandatory reporting and investigation requirements.  And it's not even just drones, but people like the ER physician who offered his professional opinion that the injury to my relative was not from abuse, but was required by law to do a report.
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