Tony Perkins: Trump gets a 'mulligan' over Stormy Daniels from Evangelicals

[INVAR]

Are we looking for a religious leader or a political leader?

As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy. 

Compartmentalization is mainstream now.

Interesting how Trump's supporters have adopted it as eagerly as the Left did under Clinton and Obama after spending decades complaining about people who did so.

[driftdiver]

As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy.  From Eugene Robinson:

Unfortunately, I think he's right.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/

Of course character counts, it always has and it always will.  Thats why I didn't support Trump in the primaries.

So what option do you offer? What solution do you propose?

Do you continue to fight against everything Trump does because of his past mistakes or do you try to make the best of it.    Trumps actions since being elected have largely been good.    Do you throw that all away and hope that next time you can get the perfect candidate?

Whats your plan to actually get that 'perfect' candidate elected?  Knowing all the time that your perfect candidate is considered deeply flawed by the next guy.

[Frank Cannon]

Compartmentalization is mainstream now.

Interesting how Trump's supporters have adopted it as eagerly as the Left did under Clinton and Obama after spending decades complaining about people who did so.

It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.

Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority. 

[kevindavis007]

As expected, the Left is quick to point out the hypocrisy.  From Eugene Robinson:

Unfortunately, I think he's right.

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/25/eugene-robinson-the-president-and-the-porn-star/

I'm afraid so..

[driftdiver]

It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.

Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.

@Frank Cannon

I saw this as a born again evangelic Christian.     Damn right!

All these holier then thou's perfect people do more to push people away from Jesus then anything else.

[DCPatriot]

It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.

Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.

Word!

[Concerned]

Of course character counts, it always has and it always will.  Thats why I didn't support Trump in the primaries.

So what option do you offer? What solution do you propose?

Do you continue to fight against everything Trump does because of his past mistakes or do you try to make the best of it.    Trumps actions since being elected have largely been good.    Do you throw that all away and hope that next time you can get the perfect candidate?

Whats your plan to actually get that 'perfect' candidate elected?  Knowing all the time that your perfect candidate is considered deeply flawed by the next guy.

I simply recommend consistency.  My principles are my principles.  They don’t change as a result of the jersey being worn by a politician.  If my principles were fungible, I’d certainly expect the Left to use that hypocrisy against me.  I just strive for consistent principles and positions rather than handing the Left ammunition to use against me.   I don't expect the "perfect candidate" but when the candidate (or the person in office) does or says something I've criticized in the past, I don't remain silent simply because it's "my guy".

[Right_in_Virginia]

It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit. There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes. We just had an active Pope blame molestation victims last week for being molested and you are all bent out of shape because the President MIGHT have had an affair 13 years ago.

Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.

 

[edpc]

Franklin is engaging in a bit of willful denial, if he believes Trump is a changed man.  Fine - the incident took place in 2006, but the payment to cover it up was in late 2016.  Let's say none of that ever happened. 

What we do know to be true is he said some interesting things to Billy Bush, then subsequently apologized.  However, once the Moore controversy began, he suggested the attacks may be politically motivated, as his were, and the Entertainment Tonight tape may not be authentic.  That's not the behavior of a changed man.

[driftdiver]

I simply recommend consistency.  My principles are my principles.  They don’t change as a result of the jersey being worn by a politician.  If my principles were fungible, I’d certainly expect the Left to use that hypocrisy against me.  I just strive for consistent principles and positions rather than handing the Left ammunition to use against me.   I don't expect the "perfect candidate" but when the candidate (or the person in office) does or says something I've criticized in the past, I don't remain silent simply because it's "my guy".

@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos.  Besides, Trump is no longer a  "candidate" he's the President.  So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.

Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening.   Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.

[Concerned]

@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos.  Besides, Trump is no longer a  "candidate" he's the President.  So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.

Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening.   Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.

@driftdiver

Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidate”.  I simply tried to answer your questions.  I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about).  What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with. 

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidate”.  I simply tried to answer your questions.  I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about).  What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with.

@Concerned
I see pretty much the same thing posted time after time after time.   yet rarely do i see any praise.   He cuts Planned Parenthood funding, he gets criticized.   He cuts funding for PLO or the UN and he's criticized.

So please accept my apologies for not believing you NTs when you say that.

[Night Hides Not]

@driftdiver

Of course, Trump is no longer a "candidate" but you asked me about my response to not having the “perfect candidate”.  I simply tried to answer your questions.  I certainly acknowledge that he's "deeply flawed", but I refuse to be silent when he does or says things that violate my principles (or things about which I criticized the Democrats about).  What I will do, however, is continue to praise him when he does and says things I find praise-worthy and continue to criticize him when he does or says things I disagree with.

I suggest you copy and paste this post to a Word doc. It will save you a lot of time for all the times you will need to repost it.

Reminds me of the conversation Francisco d'Anconia had with Hank Rearden, when he said (paraphrased), "I am giving the words for the times you will need them."  lol, I use that phrase with my 6th graders every year in the religious ed class I teach at church.

It's not enough to tell the Orange Brigadiers that we recognize the positive things Trump has done. With them, one must put our full faith and credit in Donald J. Trump...anything less is treasonous.

I know my term "Orange Brigadiers" offends some All Trumpers, but I really don't understand why. It's a term of affection IMO, like "Arnie's Army."

ETA: there is no need for certain members of the All Trumpers to ever ping me. I have most of you on ignore.

[INVAR]

It isn't compartmentalizing if you don't give a shit.

Very true.

The vast majority of Americans and especially professing Christians 'do not give a shit' about the morality that once undergirded the culture and society, especially when they are engaging in it themselves and bought the lie that no one should judge bad behavior and that all behavior is relative.

There is a reason why church pews are empty and all your moral outrages go ignored. It's because the leaders of morality have been exposed as frauds consisting of thieves, rapists and degenerates of all stripes.

First of all, it is stupid for anyone to look upon a man as any kind of perfect 'leader of morality'.  People following men is how biblical religion gets perverted.  Only God, His Word and His Christ establish what morality a Believer is to adhere to and practice.   Leaders were to have fruits that upheld those virtues that a people could examine in the light of what they learn from scripture.

While hypocrisy is in deed a factor among youth, it is a greater tool used as a convenient club used to bash anyone still upholding virtue in a debased society.  The idea that churches must be 'perfect' is an outgrowth of Alinsky's Rule No. 4.  Churches were intended to be spiritual hospitals to help a people trying to follow Christ daily striving to overcoming sin and practicing righteousness.  We live in a society where we have been lectured we must do what feels good without consequences and anyone  advocating righteousness and eschewing bad behavior be branded a bigot and criminal.

Why don't you clowns clean up your own houses and then you can run around spreading your moral superiority.

That sentiment just proves how debased our culture has become.  To assert that standing up for the truth is a marker of someone who considers themselves to be morally superior is the hallmark of a people who hate truth and prefer the lies and bullshit they are more comfortable with.

[Concerned]

@Concerned
I see pretty much the same thing posted time after time after time.   yet rarely do i see any praise.   He cuts Planned Parenthood funding, he gets criticized.   He cuts funding for PLO or the UN and he's criticized.

So please accept my apologies for not believing you NTs when you say that.

@driftdiver

I'm only speaking for myself not "Never Trumpers", but I try and be objective.  When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I've praised him, and I’ve done it right here on TBR for you to see on the following things:  Gorsuch.  I love what the President is doing on regulations.  The hurricane responses in Florida and Texas were right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet.  He seems to be serious about fixing the VA.  That’s long overdue.  His speech after the Las Vegas shooting was spot on and I praised him at the time.  I think he freed up his military to go after ISIS by loosening the Rules of Engagement, and he deserves “all the credit in the world” for that (as I said at the time).  His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas.  I also gave him credit for the run-up in the stock market in 2017 and his campaign strategy in 2016. 

Here are some examples of the above:

Well, I’m certainly not in this contingent you refer to.  When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I praise him.  Gorsuch appears to be a great pick (but it’s still early).  I love what the President is doing on regulations.  The hurricane responses have been right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet.  He seems to be serious about fixing the VA.  That’s long overdue.   That’s certainly not “unceasingly critical”.
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I criticize Trump when I think he deserves criticizing and praise him when I think he deserves praise.  His remarks this morning were spot on IMO:  prayer and support for the victims and their family, support for law enforcement, calls for unity, flags at half-staff, and plans to travel to Las Vegas on Wednesday.   Good job Mr. President.

I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS.  I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful.  Good for him!

On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:

Good decision by the President.  As he said:  "This designation will impose further sanctions and penalties on North Korea ... and supports our maximum pressure campaign to isolate the murderous regime.”
 

Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big deal”:

I may be perceived as one of those, and although I’ve praised him previously about the way he has leveraged the military in it’s attack against ISIS, this is indeed a big deal, and I’ll quote myself to give additional credit to the President:

I think Trump deserves all the credit in the world for freeing up our military to truly go after ISIS.  I think he's proven what many of us suspected: that the Rules of Engagement placed upon our military under Obama was too stringent and too restrictive for them to truly to successful.  Good for him!

Clear enough? @skeeter

His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:

In a blatant attempt at getting this thread back on topic, I'm sure this cheered up most (if not all) of the troops over at Walter Reed.  Good job by the President and good job by VP Pence to visit the troops in Afghanistan.

The run-up of the stock market:

Regulations:  I think Trump deserves a huge amount of credit for cutting regulations, and I believe (but can’t prove) that this and the anticipation of corporate tax cuts have been a huge contributing factor for the run-up of the stock market in his first year.

Campaign strategy in 2016:

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I believe the President ran a brilliant election campaign and tapped into a level of dissatisfaction not fully realized by most others............
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[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

I'm only speaking for myself not "Never Trumpers", but I try and be objective.  When the President does something I find praise-worthy, I've praised him, and I’ve done it right here on TBR for you to see on the following things:  Gorsuch.  I love what the President is doing on regulations.  The hurricane responses in Florida and Texas were right on target with direct leadership from him and his cabinet.  He seems to be serious about fixing the VA.  That’s long overdue.  His speech after the Las Vegas shooting was spot on and I praised him at the time.  I think he freed up his military to go after ISIS by loosening the Rules of Engagement, and he deserves “all the credit in the world” for that (as I said at the time).  His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas.  I also gave him credit for the run-up in the stock market in 2016 and his campaign strategy in 2016. 

Here are some examples of the above:
On Trump returning North Korea to the list of State Sponsors of Terror:
Again on the battle against ISIS noting winning the battle is a “big deal”:Clear enough? @skeeter

His visit to wounded troops at Walter Reed right before Christmas:The run-up of the stock market:Campaign strategy in 2016:

@Concerned
And yet the monster threads here do nothing but throw stones at Trump.

As sad as it is, he is our best bet for improving this country.   For turning it away from the cliff.

[DCPatriot]

@Concerned
The only thing that's consistent is the chaos.  Besides, Trump is no longer a  "candidate" he's the President.  So you can wail and gnash your teeth in protest at his lack of principles and change nothing.

Or you can accept he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things that are happening.   Because for all his flaws Trump does want America to succeed and actually seems to be working toward that end.

"...deeply flawed...."??

Hmmmmm...... couldn't let that go.

After 1 year in office, could anybody step up and list these deep "flaws"?

 

[Concerned]

"...deeply flawed...."??

Hmmmmm...... couldn't let that go.

After 1 year in office, could anybody step up and list these deep "flaws"?

 

I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things".   My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support).   As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling.  JMO.

[driftdiver]

I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things".   My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support).   As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling.  JMO.

@Concerned
So how are you going to make things better.

IMO its a better bet to support Trump, as flawed as he is, and work to improve this country.  Brinig it back from the abyss.

Or people can continue to fight against trump and everything he does.    because he isn't perfect enough.

Have a good day, this is useless

[Suppressed]

There's a third way...

continue to fight against trump and everything he does

@driftdiver

Not everything he does....just the bad stuff.

Rather than pretending there's not a lot of bad stuff.

[DCPatriot]

I was simply using the words that @driftdiver used since he encouraged me to just "accept" that "he's deeply flawed like everyone else, and cheer the good things".   My point was that I won't simply "accept" those deeps flaws (but I will cheer the things I support).   As for what those flaws are, IMO it includes his apparent lack of fiscal conservatism, the consistent lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, his petty squabbles, and his childish name-calling.  JMO.

I thought your list of positive accomplishments/deeds was very thorough.  Even forgot a lot of them, while focusing on the economic tsunami coming our way...as evidenced by the stock markets. 

Let's not forget too, that he allowed his generals to kill the enemy without seeking authorization from the White House.

[Concerned]

@Concerned
So how are you going to make things better.

IMO its a better bet to support Trump, as flawed as he is, and work to improve this country.  Brinig it back from the abyss.

Or people can continue to fight against trump and everything he does.    because he isn't perfect enough.

Have a good day, this is useless

Since you asked, I'll give you the courtesy of an answer to how I'll make things better.  I'll continue to support candidates who share my principles and values.  I'll continue to praise our leaders when they do things that I think are praise-worthy, and I'll criticize them when they don't.  I don't think being a sycophant (not claiming you are) does anything to improve our country.   

You have a good day too!   

[driftdiver]

There's a third way...
@driftdiver

Not everything he does....just the bad stuff.

Rather than pretending there's not a lot of bad stuff.

"a lot'   horsefeces

Some of the things he's done aren't optimum but at least he's trying to make things better.    Hell they way you folks go nuts over the slightest thing its obvious all you want to do is tear this place down.  you lost your perfect candidate so by golly you are gonna mess everything up

[aligncare]

Trump’s job performance has been very good, and his impact on the administrative state, stellar.

Every thing else is just noise. I simply don’t care to join those who waste their time expecting the other shoe to drop. I expect the next three years of the Trump administration to be terrific!

[INVAR]

"a lot'   horsefeces

Some of the things he's done aren't optimum but at least he's trying to make things better.    Hell they way you folks go nuts over the slightest thing its obvious all you want to do is tear this place down.  you lost your perfect candidate so by golly you are gonna mess everything up

You and your Trump fellows repeatedly said Trump did not need us and that you did not want any support from those of us who did not vote for him, because we would be 'fair weather friends', and recently it was stated that our applause and support is not wanted at all because it would tarnish *Trump's brand*.

For all the insistence your prince does not need or want our support because he can do everything without us - why do you people continue to insist that our lack of support or criticism is 'tearing the place down'. 

All it does is reinforce the accusations that you people demand 100% fealty, loyalty and devotion - or nothing at all.

And even when people like @Concerned share their even-handedness in evaluating Trump, it's never good enough for you people.  You continue to assert all we want to do is 'tear the place down' because your prince is not continuously praised and worshipped online by principled Conservatives who are not wrapped up in your cult of personality.