Author Topic: Playing McClellan to Trump's Grant: The NeverTrump Traitors (Read 2442 times)

rangerrebew · « **on:** January 20, 2018, 10:43:14 am »

January 20, 2018
Playing McClellan to Trump's Grant: The NeverTrump Traitors
By Joe Herring

Some learned and accomplished folks, who deservedly command a great deal of respect and admiration, view the Trump presidency in an entirely different light from what millions of Americans see.

To these sage and wizened critics, the president's persona outweighs his achievements; his flaws overwhelm his strengths and, by extension, hamstring his ability to move an agenda forward.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/playing_mcclellan_to_trumps_grant_the_nevertrump_traitors.html#ixzz54iinEsqa

Cripplecreek · « **Reply #1 on:** January 20, 2018, 11:56:48 am »

And Trumpers are the ones who elected Putins b***h.

If we're "traitors" maybe its time for the tiny fingered Don to nut up and take action against us. After all, if we're traitors, he has all constitutional authority to pursue and prosecute us but he's a b***h.

endicom · « **Reply #2 on:** January 20, 2018, 01:50:00 pm »

Herring is correct in saying the Trump voters were not in thrall to the man but craving the change he might effect. Those voters now see that Trump does what he can to effect that change and with positive effect on the Pubs in Congress.

240B · « **Reply #3 on:** January 20, 2018, 02:12:35 pm »

Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 20, 2018, 11:56:48 am

And Trumpers are the ones who elected Putins b***h.

@Cripplecreek

HAHAHAHA! LOL! Are you STUPID!? Or are you just an idiot fool?
You are a funny guy. That really made me laugh.

Ok idiot, let me educate you because it is obvious you do not follow the news. That Putin thing is over. Even the hardcore Leftist have dumped that stupid crap. In fact, Mueller is about to be fired. Because there is nothing there. He has had his staff of 20 something people looking for any crumb of evidence for almost a year, and they found nothing.

No but really CC, and I have nothing against you personally, but you have to be the last person in all of America who still believes in that 'Russian Collusion' fairy tale. Even CNN has dropped it. It's dead. It's gone.

Get over it please, so you can stop making a fool of yourself.

Axeslinger · « **Reply #4 on:** January 20, 2018, 02:28:04 pm »

I am a NeverTrump...although certainly not one of the ivory tower, gilded variety the author speaks of. I also wholeheartedly agree with how the author describes Republicans of the last 100 years. I also believe that Trump, if he is not wholly successful, will do lasting if not permanent damage to conservatism.

And ultimately that is what it now comes down to, if he is wholly successful he could go down as a truly great president...however unfortunately because of some rather nasty little character flaws, he canâ€™t stop stepping on his own d!ck and get out of his own way. Thus, I think ultimately, because of those same flaws he will undermine himself, end up not being wholly successful and then in giving uneccessary ammunition to the other side will damage conservatism long term.

I try to live my life in as moral and upstanding fashion as possible, how Trump has led his, how he has acted throughout his, the fact that he has been a NY liberal for most of his life is wholly anathema to me...

BUT, I give him great credit for that which he has done, and there are many things, far more than i wouldâ€™ve ever thought...just think what he could do if he would just stop the perpetual ammunition resupply to the other side.

jpsb · « **Reply #5 on:** January 20, 2018, 02:42:08 pm »

Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 20, 2018, 11:56:48 am

And Trumpers are the ones who elected Putins b***h.

If we're "traitors" maybe its time for the tiny fingered Don to nut up and take action against us. After all, if we're traitors, he has all constitutional authority to pursue and prosecute us but he's a b***h.

Off your meds again?

corbe · « **Reply #6 on:** January 20, 2018, 04:35:18 pm »

I'm coming around and have tempered my Neverism. It will take a bit longer to get over my butthurt, if I ever do. We could have had CRUZ, who IMHO, would have done all that Trump has done AND MORE with class and dignity.

Great Post @Axeslinger

INVAR · « **Reply #7 on:** January 20, 2018, 05:03:10 pm »

Quote from: Axeslinger on January 20, 2018, 02:28:04 pm

I am a NeverTrump...although certainly not one of the ivory tower, gilded variety the author speaks of. I also wholeheartedly agree with how the author describes Republicans of the last 100 years. I also believe that Trump, if he is not wholly successful, will do lasting if not permanent damage to conservatism.

And ultimately that is what it now comes down to, if he is wholly successful he could go down as a truly great president...however unfortunately because of some rather nasty little character flaws, he canâ€™t stop stepping on his own d!ck and get out of his own way. Thus, I think ultimately, because of those same flaws he will undermine himself, end up not being wholly successful and then in giving uneccessary ammunition to the other side will damage conservatism long term.

I try to live my life in as moral and upstanding fashion as possible, how Trump has led his, how he has acted throughout his, the fact that he has been a NY liberal for most of his life is wholly anathema to me...

BUT, I give him great credit for that which he has done, and there are many things, far more than i wouldâ€™ve ever thought...just think what he could do if he would just stop the perpetual ammunition resupply to the other side.

Concur with 99% of your sentiments there Axe. Excellent summary.

However, I will not give Trump any credit.

His rabid followers have already told me that because I was not on the Trump Train when 'it mattered', I may not credit Trump and try to bask in his achievements when I had nothing to do with them.

So.... at their demand, I acquiesce. I will not give Trump any credit, even if I agree with something he does or says.

It's not just Trump who trips on his own dick. His rabid fanbase puts their own dicks in his way to trip over.

Fishrrman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2018, 03:25:50 am »

"Some learned and accomplished folks, who deservedly command a great deal of respect and admiration, view the Trump presidency in an entirely different light from what millions of Americans see."

Mr. Herring is exactly right.
As demonstrated by the behavior of some of the posters to this very thread!

INVAR · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2018, 04:34:41 am »

Quote from: Fishrrman on January 21, 2018, 03:25:50 am

"Some learned and accomplished folks, who deservedly command a great deal of respect and admiration, view the Trump presidency in an entirely different light from what millions of Americans see."

So?

Millions of Americans viewed the Obama regime in an entirely different light than we did. Millions of Americans saw (and still see) Obama as a messianic savior, a 'deliverer' who was going to give them 'Hope and Change', pay their mortgages, lower the sea levels and put gas in their cars.

Millions of Americans viewed Clinton in similar light.

I don't care that millions of Americans see Trump as a national folk hero and savior either.

Just because millions of Americans view a politician as some kind of messiah and superhero who is going to give them what they want by the breath of their mouth and the mystical aura of their presence in the Oval Office, doesn't mean I abandon principles and common sense to go and join the millions of lemmings goose-stepping to the march of their chosen political pied piper.

History has proven, YES - millions of fanatics fawning over a leader tend to lead their country to ruin and YES, millions of people can be wrong.

RoosGirl · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2018, 04:55:39 am »

Quote

I believe that those harboring an anti-Trump mindset would do well to consider that the election of Trump was never about the man â€“ it was not the "cult of personality" that the major media and the establishment Republicans portrayed it to be, but rather more like an Arthurian drawing of sword from stone.

Yeah, referring to a Trump presidency "like an Arthurian drawing of a sword from stone" is not at all similar to a cult of personality.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:39:50 am »

Boy. This isn't a flamebait topic, is it? Maybe I should post something about abortion being good to mellow things out a bit.

INVAR · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:51:02 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on January 21, 2018, 04:55:39 am

Yeah, referring to a Trump presidency "like an Arthurian drawing of a sword from stone" is not at all similar to a cult of personality.

Equating Trump's election as the equivalent of a mystical legend is honestly no different than the hordes of fanatics that saw Obama as Moses or Jesus.

Cult of personality indeed.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:53:20 am »

Quote from: INVAR on January 21, 2018, 05:51:02 am

Equating Trump's election as the equivalent of a mystical legend is honestly no different than the hordes of fanatics that saw Obama as Moses or Jesus.

Cult of personality indeed.

Your right. It was better when Presidents created their own legends.....

RoosGirl · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:58:01 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 21, 2018, 05:53:20 am

Your right. It was better when Presidents created their own legends.....

Would you like to play Guenevere to Trump's Lancelot?

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2018, 06:05:28 am »

Quote from: RoosGirl on January 21, 2018, 05:58:01 am

Would you like to play Guenevere to Trump's Lancelot?

I'm more of the guy behind King Arthur with the coconuts.....

RoosGirl · « **Reply #16 on:** January 21, 2018, 06:14:00 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 21, 2018, 06:05:28 am

I'm more of the guy behind King Arthur with the coconuts.....

When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled

aligncare · « **Reply #17 on:** January 21, 2018, 08:03:48 am »

Quote from: 240B on January 20, 2018, 02:12:35 pm

@Cripplecreek

HAHAHAHA! LOL! Are you STUPID!? Or are you just an idiot fool?
You are a funny guy. That really made me laugh.

Ok idiot, let me educate you because it is obvious you do not follow the news. That Putin thing is over. Even the hardcore Leftist have dumped that stupid crap. In fact, Mueller is about to be fired. Because there is nothing there. He has had his staff of 20 something people looking for any crumb of evidence for almost a year, and they found nothing.

No but really CC, and I have nothing against you personally, but you have to be the last person in all of America who still believes in that 'Russian Collusion' fairy tale. Even CNN has dropped it. It's dead. It's gone.

Get over it please, so you can stop making a fool of yourself.

Any port in a storm, with Donald Trump his personal storm. The rage inside his head must be an awful thing to live with.

I hear knitting can be very relaxing. Maybe he should give it a go.

DCPatriot · « **Reply #18 on:** January 21, 2018, 11:39:01 am »

Quote from: Frank Cannon on January 21, 2018, 05:39:50 am

Boy. This isn't a flamebait topic, is it? Maybe I should post something about abortion being good to mellow things out a bit.

Just like this....I wasnâ€™t a Trump supporter. I am now....in Opinions. ^-^

Concerned · « **Reply #19 on:** January 21, 2018, 01:16:48 pm »

It seems to me that words like â€œtraitorâ€ and â€œtreasonousâ€ are thrown around rather haphazardly these days. Sure, McClellan wasnâ€™t as aggressive as his Commander in Chief wanted, and he was replaced as a result. That didnâ€™t make him a traitor (after being replaced, he even ran for President in 1864 but was never tried for, much less, found guilty of treason). So what truly makes Never Trumpers â€œtraitorsâ€? The fact that they issue â€œpetulant criticismâ€ against Trump? Obviously, some would like Trump critics tried as â€œtraitorsâ€, but liking it and the Constitution allowing it are two different things (fortunately).

DCPatriot · « **Reply #20 on:** January 21, 2018, 01:24:11 pm »

Quote from: Concerned on January 21, 2018, 01:16:48 pm

It seems to me that words like â€œtraitorâ€ and â€œtreasonousâ€ are thrown around rather haphazardly these days. Sure, McClellan wasnâ€™t as aggressive as his Commander in Chief wanted, and he was replaced as a result. That didnâ€™t make him a traitor (after being replaced, he even ran for President in 1864 but was never tried for, much less, found guilty of treason). So what truly makes Never Trumpers â€œtraitorsâ€? The fact that they issue â€œpetulant criticismâ€ against Trump? Obviously, some would like Trump critics tried as â€œtraitorsâ€, but liking it and the Constitution allowing it are two different things (fortunately).

Come on, man.

There's a huge difference between 'traitor' and 'treasonous' when applied toward a political party than when it's applied toward the very Republic itself.

Concerned · « **Reply #21 on:** January 21, 2018, 01:32:49 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on January 21, 2018, 01:24:11 pm

Come on, man.

There's a huge difference between 'traitor' and 'treasonous' when applied toward a political party than when it's applied toward the very Republic itself.

Legitimate political disagreement and discord is NOT necessarily the act of the traitor. Just because I (or anyone else) am against the deficit spending promulgated by the current and past few Administrations/Congresses doesnâ€™t make me a traitor. Just because I (or anyone else) is against the lies/falsehoods/misleading statements/distractions, petty squabbles, and childish name-calling coming from this Administration doesnâ€™t make me a traitor either. Criticism of this President isnâ€™t, in and of itself, an act of a traitor. I failed to see how the author in the OP made his case for calling Never Trumpers traitors. This talk of political traitors is simply more unhelpful and unconstructive hyperbole IMO. Thatâ€™s my point.

"Definition of traitor
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty
2 : one who commits treason"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/traitor

INVAR · « **Reply #22 on:** January 21, 2018, 05:56:56 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on January 21, 2018, 01:24:11 pm

Come on, man.

There's a huge difference between 'traitor' and 'treasonous' when applied toward a political party than when it's applied toward the very Republic itself.

Trump IS the Republic according to his rabid fanbase whereby criticizing him, is criticizing the people who elected him and by extension therefore, committing treason against the Republic.

As has been explained to me by a rabid Trump supporter.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #23 on:** January 21, 2018, 06:19:44 pm »

Quote from: INVAR on January 21, 2018, 05:56:56 pm

Trump IS the Republic according to his rabid fanbase whereby criticizing him, is criticizing the people who elected him and by extension therefore, committing treason against the Republic.

As has been explained to me by a rabid Trump supporter.

So are you going to turn yourself in for high crimes against the government? It's the only decent thing to do at this point.

Frank Cannon · « **Reply #24 on:** January 21, 2018, 06:20:54 pm »

Quote from: DCPatriot on January 21, 2018, 11:39:01 am

Just like this....I wasnâ€™t a Trump supporter. I am now....in Opinions. ^-^

The only thing shitty about being a Trump supporter is being associated with Trump supporters.

Author Topic: Playing McClellan to Trump's Grant: The NeverTrump Traitors (Read 2442 times)

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