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How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« on: January 17, 2018, 12:01:10 am »
I remember years ago (in my 2A infancy) when my husband and I had a Springfield Armory XD … and that was about it. One handgun. I didn’t think much of it at the time. Having a gun for home protection seemed to be a smart thing to do. And training with it was even smarter. But it didn’t really occur to me that we could — or should — have more. And when my husband eventually brought it up, I recall thinking, “Why would we need another gun? We already have one. Besides, they are basically all the same!”

My mistake. Guns are not “basically all the same,” and now that I am an instructor, a competitive shooter and a vocal 2nd Amendment supporter, my views on firearms — and the amounts that one should or should not have — are much different than they used to be. It seems that Americans’ views may have changed a bit, as well. A 2017 Harvard/Northwestern University joint study estimated that our country’s 319 million citizens currently own about 265 million guns. And while in 1994, the “typical gun-owning household” owned 4.2 guns, in 2015, The Washington Post revealed that this average number of firearms owned has nearly doubled to 8.1 guns per household. And that trend has only gone up since! (On a side note: How many of you are now thinking: “I guess I am not a typical gun-owning household!”?)

From 1911s and guns just for show to shotguns and ARs and guns on the go, there are so many different firearms out there … and just as many different reasons to have them. So when a friend recently posed the question: “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?,’” it reminded me of how far I’ve come. And it got me thinking about possible answers to this intriguing topic.

No doubt, the anti-gun groups would claim that even just one gun is too many. They constantly tell us that having more guns equals more crime … and, therefore, we should take away all guns. Thankfully, there are people who speak the truth about this falsehood — people like John Lott, who explores and explains in his book More Guns, Less Crime that locations with the largest increases in gun ownership actually have the largest drops in violent crimes. There are also folks like Steve Scalise (R-La.) who was shot this past summer at a GOP baseball practice near Washington D.C., but who rejects the argument that there are too many guns in Americans’ hands. “The problem is not that there are too many guns,” Scalise explains, “It’s that there are people that will go out and break the law, whether it’s a gun or some other weapon or a bomb.”

Another possible answer that might come up is that having “too many” firearms could become a burden. A lot of people say that if you ever wind up in court, having too many guns may be a liability. In this line of thinking, having that mysterious number of superfluous firearms (whatever that number is) could look suspicious, especially in a day and age in which the media reports discovering “arsenals” in people’s homes that consist of a dozen or so guns and a few thousand rounds of ammunition. Either way, this is something to consider … and perhaps something to discuss with your lawyer.

When I think of a “real” answer to “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?’” (besides the “You can never have enough!” statement that I’d love to use), I suppose there might be a few red flags. For instance, if firearms have become some kind of unhealthy obsession and they are ruining relationships or sending you down a financial black hole, then that is probably a sign of “too many.” I believe, as well, if you can no longer safely secure (and/or maintain) your guns, then that is also a sign of “too many” (or a hint that it’s time to purchase another Liberty Safe).

Undoubtedly, the answer to this question is completely unique for every individual, based on factors like your lifestyle, family, interests, hobbies, values, skills, income, job, etc. And, of course, it depends on the intended use(s) for the gun(s). Do you hunt? Are you a gunsmith? Do you enjoy shooting sports? Are you an instructor? Do you carry on body for self-defense? Are you a collector? Do you stage guns for protection in the home? Have you considered having a backup … or a backup for your backup?

All in all, there’s really no fail-safe, foolproof right or wrong reply to the question: “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?’” If you think about it, firearms are, in and of themselves, a very unique investment. They are an investment that may one day provide some money in return … but most importantly, they are investment for your safety and for your future. And in that case, there can never be too much.


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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 12:13:15 am »
Well. if we're dealing with the basics, let's start with the basic gun safe 'load' for a family in these parts. A .22 rifle, a .22 pistol. Cheaper to shoot and plenty adequate to teach, and practice, marksmanship. Add to that a shotgun, for personal defense and/or bird hunting--or simply recreational clay target shooting. A rifle capable of bringing down at least a deer, and while the .22 can do this, something on the order of 6.5 mm and up is the usual. Since military calibers remain popular, .308 (7.62X51), .30-06 remain popular (7.62 X54R or even 7.62X39 will fill the bill), and the venerable .30-30 remains popular in western states, even though the ballistics are similar to the 7.62X39.

So far, two rifles, a pistol, and a shotgun.

A serious personal defense handgun is next, from .380 to .45 ACP, and best if you can carry it concealed, too. It is not uncommon fro both the husband and wife to each have one. That's six.

We haven't even touched on grandpa's rifle, that one dad handed down, or any 'fun' rifles for varmints, but keep in mind that it is no fun to stand around waiting for your turn at the rifle at the range while someone else is shooting, so at least two, often semi-automatics, usually surplus or military designs like the SKS, an AR variant, or an AK variant, are nothing unusual.

Eight would be a minimum, and then there are those 'deals' at the gun show you just can't resist....

As for "too many"? Ain't no such thing....
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 12:22:35 am »
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 01:21:23 am »
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That's a fair start....but only too many if you are trying to swim with all of them at once.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 01:29:16 am »
I remember years ago (in my 2A infancy) when my husband and I had a Springfield Armory XD … and that was about it. One handgun. I didn’t think much of it at the time. Having a gun for home protection seemed to be a smart thing to do. And training with it was even smarter. But it didn’t really occur to me that we could — or should — have more. And when my husband eventually brought it up, I recall thinking, “Why would we need another gun? We already have one. Besides, they are basically all the same!”

My mistake. Guns are not “basically all the same,” and now that I am an instructor, a competitive shooter and a vocal 2nd Amendment supporter, my views on firearms — and the amounts that one should or should not have — are much different than they used to be. It seems that Americans’ views may have changed a bit, as well. A 2017 Harvard/Northwestern University joint study estimated that our country’s 319 million citizens currently own about 265 million guns. And while in 1994, the “typical gun-owning household” owned 4.2 guns, in 2015, The Washington Post revealed that this average number of firearms owned has nearly doubled to 8.1 guns per household. And that trend has only gone up since! (On a side note: How many of you are now thinking: “I guess I am not a typical gun-owning household!”?)

From 1911s and guns just for show to shotguns and ARs and guns on the go, there are so many different firearms out there … and just as many different reasons to have them. So when a friend recently posed the question: “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?,’” it reminded me of how far I’ve come. And it got me thinking about possible answers to this intriguing topic.

No doubt, the anti-gun groups would claim that even just one gun is too many. They constantly tell us that having more guns equals more crime … and, therefore, we should take away all guns. Thankfully, there are people who speak the truth about this falsehood — people like John Lott, who explores and explains in his book More Guns, Less Crime that locations with the largest increases in gun ownership actually have the largest drops in violent crimes. There are also folks like Steve Scalise (R-La.) who was shot this past summer at a GOP baseball practice near Washington D.C., but who rejects the argument that there are too many guns in Americans’ hands. “The problem is not that there are too many guns,” Scalise explains, “It’s that there are people that will go out and break the law, whether it’s a gun or some other weapon or a bomb.”

Another possible answer that might come up is that having “too many” firearms could become a burden. A lot of people say that if you ever wind up in court, having too many guns may be a liability. In this line of thinking, having that mysterious number of superfluous firearms (whatever that number is) could look suspicious, especially in a day and age in which the media reports discovering “arsenals” in people’s homes that consist of a dozen or so guns and a few thousand rounds of ammunition. Either way, this is something to consider … and perhaps something to discuss with your lawyer.

When I think of a “real” answer to “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?’” (besides the “You can never have enough!” statement that I’d love to use), I suppose there might be a few red flags. For instance, if firearms have become some kind of unhealthy obsession and they are ruining relationships or sending you down a financial black hole, then that is probably a sign of “too many.” I believe, as well, if you can no longer safely secure (and/or maintain) your guns, then that is also a sign of “too many” (or a hint that it’s time to purchase another Liberty Safe).

Undoubtedly, the answer to this question is completely unique for every individual, based on factors like your lifestyle, family, interests, hobbies, values, skills, income, job, etc. And, of course, it depends on the intended use(s) for the gun(s). Do you hunt? Are you a gunsmith? Do you enjoy shooting sports? Are you an instructor? Do you carry on body for self-defense? Are you a collector? Do you stage guns for protection in the home? Have you considered having a backup … or a backup for your backup?

All in all, there’s really no fail-safe, foolproof right or wrong reply to the question: “How many firearms is considered ‘too many?’” If you think about it, firearms are, in and of themselves, a very unique investment. They are an investment that may one day provide some money in return … but most importantly, they are investment for your safety and for your future. And in that case, there can never be too much.


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No doubt about it.  I have, in hard times, had to sell a couple of inherited firearms my dad had left me.  Comes in handy in a pinch.  There's always someone out there willing to buy em.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2018, 01:41:07 am »
No doubt about it.  I have, in hard times, had to sell a couple of inherited firearms my dad had left me.  Comes in handy in a pinch.  There's always someone out there willing to buy em.
Private sale firearms will usually bring high market for their condition, because of the absence of a paper trail in states which do not require such transfers to go through an FFL dealer. There is no shortage of law abiding folks who like having firearms without the form 4473 paper trail, and any firearm that last passed through a dealer, gunsmith, or pawnbroker's hands before the 1968 gun control act exists only in the manufacturer's or distributor's serial number record. That's just the run of the mill guns without any particular collector's or historical value ('working guns', "pickup cab rifles" and the daily drivers of the utilitarian firearm world).
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2018, 01:43:25 am »
I was always a Blunderbuss fan.  Gimme a Remmie 1100 with bad-ass Centurion shells. 




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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2018, 01:44:51 am »
I was always a Blunderbuss fan.  Gimme a Remmie 1100 with bad-ass Centurion shells. 




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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2018, 01:51:45 am »
Never been one to scare them off with sound effects.  I want them to be surprised.  The first sound should be the sharp report from the muzzle.   :shrug:

I feel that way about concealed carry.  Why warn them?
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2018, 01:53:50 am »
Gun for carrying around the house...

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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2018, 02:06:24 am »
Well. if we're dealing with the basics, let's start with the basic gun safe 'load' for a family in these parts. A .22 rifle, a .22 pistol. Cheaper to shoot and plenty adequate to teach, and practice, marksmanship. Add to that a shotgun, for personal defense and/or bird hunting--or simply recreational clay target shooting. A rifle capable of bringing down at least a deer, and while the .22 can do this, something on the order of 6.5 mm and up is the usual. Since military calibers remain popular, .308 (7.62X51), .30-06 remain popular (7.62 X54R or even 7.62X39 will fill the bill), and the venerable .30-30 remains popular in western states, even though the ballistics are similar to the 7.62X39.

So far, two rifles, a pistol, and a shotgun.

A serious personal defense handgun is next, from .380 to .45 ACP, and best if you can carry it concealed, too. It is not uncommon fro both the husband and wife to each have one. That's six.

We haven't even touched on grandpa's rifle, that one dad handed down, or any 'fun' rifles for varmints, but keep in mind that it is no fun to stand around waiting for your turn at the rifle at the range while someone else is shooting, so at least two, often semi-automatics, usually surplus or military designs like the SKS, an AR variant, or an AK variant, are nothing unusual.

Eight would be a minimum, and then there are those 'deals' at the gun show you just can't resist....

As for "too many"? Ain't no such thing....

Pretty right on the money - Though I traded in my 30/30 carbine for a 45/70... Now that running is pretty much out of the question, a little more surety was indicated.

.22 pistol for trapped animal dispatch
.22 rifle for gophers and varmints...
12ga for bird hunting
Carbine for saddle gun and brush... go-to bear/deer rifle.
and a reach-out-and-touch-someone scoped  rifle for elk, mountain sheep and mountain goats (7mm mag, 300WinMag, etc.)

.45 pistol for general protection and final option
Spare pistol in the truck as backup, and for dispatching road injured critters (mine's a .357mag)

Sawed-off 12ga pump for home defense, and general close range varmint dispatch around the barn and the chicken coop...

That's a good start.

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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2018, 02:10:46 am »
I have a couple Remmie 1100 semi-auto shots around the house because I'm too damned lazy to rack the round.   :shrug:
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 01:47:02 am »
Never been one to scare them off with sound effects.  I want them to be surprised.  The first sound should be the sharp report from the muzzle.   :shrug:

I feel that way about concealed carry.  Why warn them?
I hate mopping up bodily fluids and patching drywall. If I can get them to leave with the first noise, fine. If not the second will follow very quickly.(Imminent threat, not 'castle doctrine' state.)
As for CCW, if it comes out, it comes to be used. Otherwise they will never know it is there. Different situation.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 01:52:01 am »
I have a couple Remmie 1100 semi-auto shots around the house because I'm too damned lazy to rack the round.   :shrug:

Mrs TRG (a.k.a. "The Boss") got me a really nice 12ga shotgun for Christmas.  It's a Rock Island Armory pump copied from the old High Standard Flite King.  I guarantee if the round racking doesn't convince them to leave...the 00 Buck that comes there way sure will.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 01:53:23 am »
I hate mopping up bodily fluids and patching drywall. If I can get them to leave with the first noise, fine. If not the second will follow very quickly.(Imminent threat, not 'castle doctrine' state.)
As for CCW, if it comes out, it comes to be used. Otherwise they will never know it is there. Different situation.

10-4.  If I'm carrying, and you see it, it's already too late.
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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 01:56:52 am »
Mrs TRG (a.k.a. "The Boss") got me a really nice 12ga shotgun for Christmas.  It's a Rock Island Armory pump copied from the old High Standard Flite King.  I guarantee if the round racking doesn't convince them to leave...the 00 Buck that comes there way sure will.

I keep my 1100's loaded with those shells in post #7.  Buck is for people who aren't wearing leathers.  .650 cal really gets their attention.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2018, 01:57:25 am »
10-4.  If I'm carrying, and you see it, it's already too late.
Might not get that far, even.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2018, 05:50:55 pm »
You know you have too many guns Only when You have to move out into your garage because there's no room left in the house.

Then you go look for a better paying job to buy a bigger house.
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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2018, 06:10:41 pm »
You know you have too many guns Only when You have to move out into your garage because there's no room left in the house.

Then you go look for a better paying job to buy a bigger house.
(...and more guns!)
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2018, 06:18:48 pm »
(...and more guns!)

I used to have enough to fill a pretty good sized boat, but then I had a tragic boating accident.... :whistle:
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« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2018, 06:20:12 pm »
(...and more guns!)

“More than I need, not as many as I want” comes to mind.
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« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2018, 06:22:43 pm »
I used to have enough to fill a pretty good sized boat, but then I had a tragic boating accident.... :whistle:
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #22 on: February 03, 2018, 06:24:02 pm »
“More than I need, not as many as I want” comes to mind.
They're like potato chips. One just isn't enough. At least they aren't fattening.... :laugh:
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #23 on: February 03, 2018, 06:47:53 pm »
@Smokin Joe



If the Mrs don't get it you trade her in to make more room too.
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Re: How Many Guns Are Too Many Guns?
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2018, 07:01:46 pm »
@Smokin Joe



If the Mrs don't get it you trade her in to make more room too.
I have leearned a lot from my grandkids.

"Here, grandma, I got you a cookie, too!"

Mrs, Joe just loves a nice rifle now and then.... :laugh:
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis