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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2018, 01:17:59 am »
Toward the end of the televised event,  Senator Mazie Hirono (one of the dead-on Marxists in that Socialist Dem Conference) of Hawaii asked POTUS directly: "Would you sign a DACA bill that didn't include a border wall?"   Trump said ... "NO" and he went into the security reasons.

Period.  Paragraph.  END OF WHINING PEOPLE.  There's no DACA without a Wall. 

He said he'd sign anything that the Congress put on his desk knowing full well no bill that doesn't include a wall and a legislative connection to further passage of chain migration and lottery insanity is not going to happen.  There will be no bill on his desk.

Trump has perfect instincts.  Folks don't want to kick out DACA entitled but they DO want a wall and they DO want to end chain migration and they DO want to end diversity lotteries.

Let the results play out for God's sake.   Where has Trump betrayed the Conservative agenda thus far?  When?
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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2018, 12:20:04 pm »
Mending Wall
BY ROBERT FROST, 1874 - 1963

Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That sends the frozen-ground-swell under it,
And spills the upper boulders in the sun;
And makes gaps even two can pass abreast.
The work of hunters is another thing:
I have come after them and made repair
Where they have left not one stone on a stone,
But they would have the rabbit out of hiding,
To please the yelping dogs. The gaps I mean,
No one has seen them made or heard them made,
But at spring mending-time we find them there.
I let my neighbour know beyond the hill;
And on a day we meet to walk the line
And set the wall between us once again.
We keep the wall between us as we go.
To each the boulders that have fallen to each.
And some are loaves and some so nearly balls
We have to use a spell to make them balance:
"Stay where you are until our backs are turned!"
We wear our fingers rough with handling them.
Oh, just another kind of out-door game,
One on a side. It comes to little more:
There where it is we do not need the wall:
He is all pine and I am apple orchard.
My apple trees will never get across
And eat the cones under his pines, I tell him.
He only says, "Good fences make good neighbours."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbours? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down." I could say "Elves" to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me,
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbours."

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2018, 01:18:12 pm »
He said he'd sign anything that the Congress put on his desk knowing full well no bill that doesn't include a wall and a legislative connection to further passage of chain migration and lottery insanity is not going to happen.  There will be no bill on his desk.


At best, you'll get a DACA 'fix' and promises of future addressing to the other issues which will go unfulfilled.  We've seen this movie before and didn't want a remake or sequel.
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2018, 01:20:43 pm »
....  He said he'd sign anything that the Congress put on his desk knowing full well no bill that doesn't include a wall and a legislative connection to further passage of chain migration and lottery insanity is not going to happen.  There will be no bill on his desk.

Trump has perfect instincts.  Folks don't want to kick out DACA entitled but they DO want a wall and they DO want to end chain migration and they DO want to end diversity lotteries. 

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2018, 01:25:02 pm »
@aligncare

Nice Poem.

But I take issue with Frost equating Hunters with Vandals.

Next time you look in a mirror, take a good look at where your eyes are located.

In the Front of your skull facing forward like every other hunting mammal. Cats, bears.

Grazers and browsers eyes are on the side of their skulls to look around for the hunters and flee them.

Hunters are who, or rather what, human beings are.

It doesn't make them vandals, nor does it make vandals hunters.
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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2018, 01:38:17 pm »
Toward the end of the televised event,  Senator Mazie Hirono (one of the dead-on Marxists in that Socialist Dem Conference) of Hawaii asked POTUS directly: "Would you sign a DACA bill that didn't include a border wall?"   Trump said ... "NO" and he went into the security reasons.

Period.  Paragraph.  END OF WHINING PEOPLE.  There's no DACA without a Wall. 

He said he'd sign anything that the Congress put on his desk knowing full well no bill that doesn't include a wall and a legislative connection to further passage of chain migration and lottery insanity is not going to happen.  There will be no bill on his desk.

Trump has perfect instincts.  Folks don't want to kick out DACA entitled but they DO want a wall and they DO want to end chain migration and they DO want to end diversity lotteries.

Let the results play out for God's sake.   Where has Trump betrayed the Conservative agenda thus far?  When?

Good post.  Remember that President Trump's decision to not extend Obama's DACA order changed the dynamics.  Because he concluded - correctly, I believe - that it exceeded his Constitutional authority in the absence of legislation, the onus has been placed squarely on the Democrats.   If they want to help the "dreamers" they're going to have to get a bill passed in Congress.  No more passing the buck.  Congress must do its job or the dreamers slip back in the shadows.   

So what kind of compromise will get the necessary 60 votes in Congress?   That's the key question -  and the restrictionist right will likely dig in their heels and squander their leverage.  So IMO it's a matter of convincing Main Street Republicans in Congress - those who recognize that immigration is crucial to economic growth - to sign on to a bill that gives the dreamers a pathway to citizenship in exchange for a switch from chain immigration to skills-based immigration, and an end to the diversity lottery.   I think that's a fair trade-off,  and a precursor to future negotiations on more comprehensive reforms.     
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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2018, 02:42:08 pm »

At best, you'll get a DACA 'fix' and promises of future addressing to the other issues which will go unfulfilled.  We've seen this movie before and didn't want a remake or sequel.

Just heard some federal judge just threw a monkey wrench in and ordered DACA must resume processing re-applications while court challenges are ongoing, I heard into March.

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2018, 02:46:18 pm »
Just heard some federal judge just threw a monkey wrench in and ordered DACA must resume processing re-applications while court challenges are ongoing, I heard into March.

The President should just ignore this. The courts can't prevent the sitting POTUS from undoing an executive order from a former POTUS.

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2018, 02:48:36 pm »
The President should just ignore this. The courts can't prevent the sitting POTUS from undoing an executive order from a former POTUS.

They can under appropriate circumstances. 

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2018, 02:50:23 pm »
They can under appropriate circumstances.

And just what are those?

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Re: Schumer: Trump will be blamed for shutdown over wall
« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2018, 03:16:22 pm »
And just what are those?

Probably to keep the status quo ante in place for those who have relied to their detriment on the DACA order.  I believe the court order only requires that current folks who've enrolled for the relief be permitted to re-apply to maintain their status pending the outcome of litigation.  It does not require the government to process new applications by folks who haven't come forward so far.    (My understanding is that approximately 800,000 have come forward under the program,  approximately half of the number who would ostensibly qualify.)
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