‘Never Trump’ Conservatives Soften to President Trump, Hail His Achievements

[libertybele]

This ought to stir the hornet's nest!   

‘Never Trump’ Conservatives Soften to President Trump, Hail His Achievements

.....Lowry points to three signature achievements that he believes may not have been achieved by a more “regular” Republican president.

“If any Republican would have done much of what Trump has, three acts stand out — pulling out of the Paris accords, decertifying the Iran deal, and declaring Jerusalem the capital of Israel,” he writes. “All three demonstrated an imperviousness to polite opinion that is one of Trump’s signature qualities.”

The Washington Examiner, a conservative outlet that has published countless opinion pieces criticizing Trump, ran an editorial declaring “Trump is on a roll.” The editorial said:

    One of the narratives of 2017 has been that Trump and Republicans on Capitol Hill have failed to achieve anything substantive. This has always been untrue, but in recent weeks it has become a ridiculous fiction. Amid drama, protest, miscues, and unprecedented political vitriol, real conservative victories are being achieved for America.

Some of that praise could spell civil war among such conservatives, with some of the once-Never Trump wing becoming frustrated with the hyperventilating of commentators who refuse under any circumstances to admit that Trump could get anything right — even policies more traditional conservatives normally embrace.....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/19/never-trump-conservatives-soften-to-president-trump-hail-his-achievements/

[The_Reader_David]

This ought to stir the hornet's nest!   

‘Never Trump’ Conservatives Soften to President Trump, Hail His Achievements

.....Lowry points to three signature achievements that he believes may not have been achieved by a more “regular” Republican president.
.....

Some of that praise could spell civil war among such conservatives, with some of the once-Never Trump wing becoming frustrated with the hyperventilating of commentators who refuse under any circumstances to admit that Trump could get anything right — even policies more traditional conservatives normally embrace.....

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/19/never-trump-conservatives-soften-to-president-trump-hail-his-achievements/

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

[INVAR]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

Nicely said.

Of course the charge that we're trying to 'jump on the bandwagon train' when we applaud or agree with a Trump action, which is said is being done to cover up our mortal sin of not supporting him in the election, is already a major meme on social groups.

Personally, I take no credit in whatever Trump does well or not well.  I did not vote for or support his candidacy.  He is ambivalent to me, and I pretty much ignore him and what he says and does.  Trump is Trump and will serve Trump and will do what Trump does and that is that.

Whether it's good or bad is really irrelevant when you have an oligarchy working to ensure that they retain absolute power and keep their gravy train rolling along.

Congress and the Republican party itself is my target of ire now.

[txradioguy]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

QFT

[truth_seeker]

Mark Levin has written/spoken a more convincing set of words, calling lingering #nevertrumps to account.

[INVAR]

Mark Levin has written/spoken a more convincing set of words, calling lingering #nevertrumps to account.

I turned him off for good in November of 2016.  Dumped Limbaugh for good the previous August.

I don't give a crap what either of those two have to opine.  When push comes to shove they are just blowhards for ratings and don't live what they preached for years and decades.

[XenaLee]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over. It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

I strongly disagree.  It's not over.  It never will be over.  Although I am not a "Never Trumper".... the label itself denotes that it's not over and never will be over among a minority few Americans that detest Trump and everything he stands for... and who will refuse to support him, stand behind him and/or give him ANY credit for anything no matter what good things or conservative policies he espouses.

The first clue re: what I'm alluding to... would be in the "Never" (as in the "no way, no how, hell no" part....lol.

[GrouchoTex]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

Well said, and I agree, and this has been my position as well.
I wish Trump all the Locke to Buckley Conservative success in the world.

[corbe]

   Thanks for posting this @libertybele I read this earlier at Brietbart, the comments over there further proved (to me, anyway) just how delusionally paranoid a significant percentage of Trumpers are, still.   Quite funny actually.

[anubias]

Another good post @libertybele ;). Funny as hell!   

[libertybele]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

First of all, please don't take the moral ground and judge me - obviously you didn't see some humor in posting such an article. I've not been a Trump supporter and felt his behavior during the primaries was despicable...nope didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to rehash the past.  There is no denying that Trump has done some good and there is also no denying that right now he's standing between allowing this country to sink  into a dismal abyss or heading her in the other direction.  Like him or not, he's taken this country in a much more conservative direction then she's been heading for a long time.  If you want to consider giving Trump some recognition doing just that as harming the conservative movement so be it.  What's hurting the conservative movement right now IMHO are those refusing to acknowledge that so far he's made some conservative strides; the second is the division that still exists within the party.  The conservative movement was stalled; I didn't say halted, but stalled, yet Trump is leaning this country more conservative.  For right now, until he proves that he's taking us more to the left then right, I'll stand with him and I am darn grateful that the Wicked Witch of the north, south east and west wasn't seated.  Meanwhile ... Gorsuch, Bammycare dismantling, illegal immigration has been significantly reduced, his Muslim ban wanes, and rumor has it that Congress is going to fund that wall...all the while with a corrupt FBI, DOJ (and probably CIA) trying to take him down. Did I mention fake news and Russian collusion? I'm chuckling to myself ...  Yeppers, #NeverTrump ... your choice.   

[libertybele]

Another good post @libertybele ;). Funny as hell!   

Well, at least a couple people see the humor.   

[cato potatoe]

I turned him off for good in November of 2016.  Dumped Limbaugh for good the previous August.

I don't give a crap what either of those two have to opine.  When push comes to shove they are just blowhards for ratings and don't live what they preached for years and decades.

I had to drive 2 hours for a meeting yesterday and happened to catch Rush for the first time since the primaries.  A caller questioned the necessity of Trump's personal attacks and general childishness.  He went off on her and said Trump should continue exactly what he's doing.  I reached over and hit the scan button ...

[anubias]

Well, at least a couple people see the humor.   

That’s alright @libertybele   Seeing hasn’t been the forte of some for over a year now.  “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see?”

Plus it’s rather hard to see with one’s head in the sand or perpetually inserted into one’s fanny.   

[libertybele]

   Thanks for posting this @libertybele I read this earlier at Brietbart, the comments over there further proved (to me, anyway) just how delusionally paranoid a significant percentage of Trumpers are, still.   Quite funny actually.

Sadly, and perhaps actually not that funny is their delusional paranoia seems to be aimed towards the wrong people.

[Cyber Liberty]

Most people who said they don't trust Trump because of his liberal background have also said they'll wait and see.  Praise what they like, criticize what they don't, just as with anybody else who as ever held that office.  Most also say they voted for him.

I urge my friends who have always supported Trump to be magnanimous.  You are welcoming old friends, bonds that were built over the years before Trump ran for President, but have become somewhat frayed over the last year or two.  Please resist the urge to rub noses in it.  Gloating doesn't look good on anybody.

And, as an aside, please stop calling TBR an "Anti-Trump forum."  It is no such thing, it's a place where all views are permitted and only personal attacks are discouraged.  It has not been taken over by "them."  "They" are mostly the people I described at the beginning of this post.  The ones who came from That Other Site were thrown out for being skeptical about Trump, as any good conservative should be about anybody, and this is their new home.  Lighten up.

[truth_seeker]

First of all, please don't take the moral ground and judge me - obviously you didn't see some humor in posting such an article. I've not been a Trump supporter and felt his behavior during the primaries was despicable...nope didn't vote for him, and I'm not going to rehash the past.  There is no denying that Trump has done some good and there is also no denying that right now he's standing between allowing this country to sink  into a dismal abyss or heading her in the other direction.  Like him or not, he's taken this country in a much more conservative direction then she's been heading for a long time.  If you want to consider giving Trump some recognition doing just that as harming the conservative movement so be it.  What's hurting the conservative movement right now IMHO are those refusing to acknowledge that so far he's made some conservative strides; the second is the division that still exists within the party.  The conservative movement was stalled; I didn't say halted, but stalled, yet Trump is leaning this country more conservative.  For right now, until he proves that he's taking us more to the left then right, I'll stand with him and I am darn grateful as we could have been ruled by the Wicked Witch of the north, south, east and west!

Remaining die-hard NTs are incorrigible, unappeasable and rapidly becoming nobodies in politics.

The Jeff Flakes are finished. Their voters are not exactly lining up future like-minded winners. Who is going to be the next Evan McMuffin? Glenn Beck? Bill Kristol?

Finito, zip, nada, adios

[libertybele]

I had to drive 2 hours for a meeting yesterday and happened to catch Rush for the first time since the primaries.  A caller questioned the necessity of Trump's personal attacks and general childishness.  He went off on her and said Trump should continue exactly what he's doing.  I reached over and hit the scan button ...

It's like watching and listening to a 5th grade fight after school at the ole junkyard...except the left isn't exactly playing with nerf guns...and Trump right now is doing what he can to deflect.  Trump has brought a lot of the disdain on himself a long time ago.  As for Rush ... I tune in once in a great while and only can tolerate him for so long; especially when he starts repeating himself over and over and over...click.

[libertybele]

Most people who said they don't trust Trump because of his liberal background have also said they'll wait and see.  Praise what they like, criticize what they don't, just as with anybody else who as ever held that office.  Most also say they voted for him.

I urge my friends who have always supported Trump to be magnanimous.  You are welcoming old friends, bonds that were built over the years before Trump ran for President, but have become somewhat frayed over the last year or two.  Please resist the urge to rub noses in it.  Gloating doesn't look good on anybody.

And, as an aside, please stop calling TBR an "Anti-Trump forum."  It is no such thing, it's a place where all views are permitted and only personal attacks are discouraged.  It has not been taken over by "them."  "They" are mostly the people I described at the beginning of this post.  The ones who came from That Other Site were thrown out for being skeptical about Trump, as any good conservative should be about anybody, and this is their new home.  Lighten up.

I couldn't agree with you more.  For Pete's sake...Lighten Up People!  This IS THE BEST FORUM going.

[Cyber Liberty]

Remaining die-hard NTs are incorrigible, unappeasable and rapidly becoming nobodies in politics.

The Jeff Flakes are finished. Their voters are not exactly lining up future like-minded winners. Who is going to be the next Evan McMuffin? Glenn Beck? Bill Kristol?

Finito, zip, nada, adios

Add Eric Erickson to that list.

The OT was about this:  Most who were calling themselves "Never Trump" before the election are coming around, and it's not the tweets and negative new stories doing it, it's the policies.  I prefer to think of them as "Never Trust," not "Never Trump."  I don't think we should ever trust politicians, even this one.

I also think you have been very accommodating to your new friends.  My mention of "Gloating" in my post above does not refer to you, sir.

[Emjay]

I strongly disagree.  It's not over.  It never will be over.  Although I am not a "Never Trumper".... the label itself denotes that it's not over and never will be over among a minority few Americans that detest Trump and everything he stands for... and who will refuse to support him, stand behind him and/or give him ANY credit for anything no matter what good things or conservative policies he espouses.

The first clue re: what I'm alluding to... would be in the "Never" (as in the "no way, no how, hell no" part....lol.

Oh, it won't be over.  People who take a moral position, particularly in politics, are too self-righteous to give it up.

[skeeter]

The premise of the article and your notion that it should stir a proverbial hornet's nest show that both you and the author of the piece misunderstand the "Never Trump" position:  it's over.  It was a moral position staked out by those of us who regard ourselves as conservatives in the line that runs from Locke to John Adams (not Sam) to Edmund Burke and Lord Acton to Russell Kirk and Wm. F. Buckley, Jr. in the context of the 2016 election.  It always included, should he win, support for Trump when he acted and governed as an American conservative (the intellectual heritage of which includes a few Brits whose views accorded with the dominant strain of thought in the American Founding and who influenced later American conservatives as my list shows), and opposition to him when he acted or governed otherwise.

Fortunately for the Republic, he has by and large been governing as a proper American conservative, even if his antics on Twitter and some of his more obtuse public pronouncements rankle, and to the extent that the public at large identify him as an American conservative, harm the conservative movement.

Personally, I never gave a crap who gets credit, or who's willing to give credit to whom, for things this administration does that I believe benefit the country. Just alot of self importance and hubris.

Its always been about the country only.

[GrouchoTex]

I read the article. Jennifer Rubin calling National Review writers "Trump enablers" is pretty hilarious.

[Cyber Liberty]

I read the article. Jennifer Rubin calling National Review writers "Trump enablers" is pretty hilarious.

It is rather comical.  It must have been Office Party day at Jennifer's.  I hope she did't sit on the copier machine this time.

[truth_seeker]

Add Eric Erickson to that list.

The OT was about this:  Most who were calling themselves "Never Trump" before the election are coming around, and it's not the tweets and negative new stories doing it, it's the policies.  I prefer to think of them as "Never Trust," not "Never Trump."  I don't think we should ever trust politicians, even this one.

I also think you have been very accommodating to your new friends.  My mention of "Gloating" in my post above does not refer to you, sir.

I have  taken great pain, to avoid personal attacks and to not use filthy profanity (which certain members appear incapable or unwilling to do).