Fox News Poll: Enthused Democrats give Jones[10pt] lead over Moore in Alabama

[driftdiver]

Kasich got soft on illegal immigration; but that said, I think we are too quick to criticize sometimes. That was bad about medicaid and illegal immigration but he definitely has done some good things too. But Rush makes the same criticisms, so there you go.

Kasich?  They guy who quit his bid to become President immediately after Cruz did?   Giving the impression he was only trying to stop Cruz

[Cyber Liberty]

Kasich is a good man - and one of the few left from the days of the Reagan Revolution.

There you go again...always smearing Reagan.

[WingNot]

Squishy center Kasich.  Shirley you jest.

[musiclady]

Like Kasich.   

There are a lot of choices between Kasich, and a guy who says the best days of America were when slavery existed because families were stronger.  (Never mind that slave children were sold to different plantations away from their parents.  Never mind THOSE families).

Not too many people in America, and hopefully not in Alabama think the days of slavery were the "good old days." 

Present scandal aside, Moore is a poor candidate.

@Cyber Liberty

[Cyber Liberty]

There are a lot of choices between Kasich, and a guy who says the best days of America were when slavery existed because families were stronger.  (Never mind that slave children were sold to different plantations away from their parents.  Never mind THOSE families).

Not too many people in America, and hopefully not in Alabama think the days of slavery were the "good old days." 

Present scandal aside, Moore is a poor candidate.

@Cyber Liberty

I think so too.  There was plenty of static against him without all the questionable allegations, and some Kasich-like candidate (Strange) was not the only choice against Moore.  I liked Mo.

As commonly happens in these matters, the shrillness of the Dem campaigns against some people force a lot of us to defend people we would not otherwise support.  McCain in '08 and Romney in '12, to name two recent examples.  I detested them both, but told my wife, "Lookit, I'm going to have to defend these Bleeps before this is over."

[txradioguy]

There are a lot of choices between Kasich, and a guy who says the best days of America were when slavery existed because families were stronger.  (Never mind that slave children were sold to different plantations away from their parents.  Never mind THOSE families).

Not too many people in America, and hopefully not in Alabama think the days of slavery were the "good old days." 

Present scandal aside, Moore is a poor candidate.

@Cyber Liberty

That's not what he said. At least quote him accurately.

[edpc]

That's not what he said. At least quote him accurately.

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."


That's the exact quote.


There are many years where that is true between 1865 and now.  There's absolutely no reason for him to mention slavery at all.  A completely unnecessary thing to say.

[Cyber Liberty]

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."


That's the exact quote.


There are many years where that is true between 1865 and now.  There's absolutely no reason for him to mention slavery at all.  A completely unnecessary thing to say.

That's called "an unforced error."  We do need candidates to understand that when you open mouth and insert foot, the Democrats (and their lapdog press) will be more than happy to make you chew on that sucker over and over again.  It's nothing new.

[musiclady]

That's not what he said. At least quote him accurately.

It doesn't matter how accurately you quote him.

Even if you happen to think that the days of slavery were the best days in America, you have to realize that what he said was stupid.

We don't need any more stupid Republicans.

And, for the record, I think what he actually said, quoted verbatim, is disturbing at every level.

[musiclady]

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."


That's the exact quote.


There are many years where that is true between 1865 and now.  There's absolutely no reason for him to mention slavery at all.  A completely unnecessary thing to say.

Thanks for putting the exact quote out there.  Even with the abject stupidity of his not realizing that slave families were torn to shreds because of slavery, what he said was idiotic.

He's a horrible candidate, whether he's an all out racist, or just stupid.  It doesn't really matter.

If this guy represents the Republican party in Alabama, they need to regroup and start thinking.

[DiogenesLamp]

As commonly happens in these matters, the shrillness of the Dem campaigns against some people force a lot of us to defend people we would not otherwise support.  McCain in '08 and Romney in '12, to name two recent examples.  I detested them both, but told my wife, "Lookit, I'm going to have to defend these Bleeps before this is over."

I felt that way about George Herbert Walker Bush back in 1992.   I am still furious that I campaigned for that man.   If Clinton wasn't such a piece of vermin,  I would have walked away from the whole thing. 

[DiogenesLamp]

"I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."


That's the exact quote.


There are many years where that is true between 1865 and now.  There's absolutely no reason for him to mention slavery at all.  A completely unnecessary thing to say.

I agree it was unnecessary,  and he shouldn't have done it.   In context,  he was talking about the 1776 era,  not the 1860 era.   But you are right.   There was absolutely no benefit whatsoever from even mentioning slavery.   


I get that he was trying to say slavery was bad,   but he bungled it.   He left his words open to the exact wrong interpretation. 

[musiclady]

I agree it was unnecessary,  and he shouldn't have done it.   In context,  he was talking about the 1776 era,  not the 1860 era.   But you are right.   There was absolutely no benefit whatsoever from even mentioning slavery.   


I get that he was trying to say slavery was bad,   but he bungled it.   He left his words open to the exact wrong interpretation.

All he needed to do was go back to 1950 if he wanted to go back to a time when families were stronger.

Does he really not know what was done to slave families?  Is his IQ below 100?

I'm sorry, but even if I liked him before, I wouldn't after this boneheaded comment.  He's a Democrat wet dream for what a Republican is like.  He'll be fodder for their media mill til the end of time.

[Cyber Liberty]

All he needed to do was go back to 1950 if he wanted to go back to a time when families were stronger.

Does he really not know what was done to slave families?  Is his IQ below 100?

I'm sorry, but even if I liked him before, I wouldn't after this boneheaded comment.  He's a Democrat wet dream for what a Republican is like.  He'll be fodder for their media mill til the end of time.

There's a name for that:  "Political tin ear."  Unable to recognize stupidity before uttering it.  Hillary had that.  I cannot for the life of me imagine any other candidate for any office referring to supporters of their opponent "a basket of deplorables."

[musiclady]

There's a name for that:  "Political tin ear."  Unable to recognize stupidity before uttering it.  Hillary had that.  I cannot for the life of me imagine any other candidate for any office referring to supporters of their opponent "a basket of deplorables."

True enough.  Hillary is also an idiot who energized her "enemies" with her idiotic rhetoric.

I just would prefer not having an increasing number of brain dead candidates on "our" side.... 

[Emjay]

Thanks for putting the exact quote out there.  Even with the abject stupidity of his not realizing that slave families were torn to shreds because of slavery, what he said was idiotic.

He's a horrible candidate, whether he's an all out racist, or just stupid.  It doesn't really matter.

If this guy represents the Republican party in Alabama, they need to regroup and start thinking.

No.  Wait just a goldern minute.  I see nothing wrong with his quote.  He clearly was describing slavery as a bad thing when he said, 'even though we had slavery."

A lot of people get nostalgic over what we think of as the good ole days even though they may shine in our memory much brighter than they did in reality.

But one thing is undeniably true.  Families did stay together a lot more in the old days.

We could argue all day about the reasons.  Women didn't have the same choices they do now.

But most of the marriages could have been saved if divorce weren't so common and acceptable.

The new shiny thing is not always better than the old thing that just needs to be polished.

People who are jumping like crazed hyenas on this quote are just Roy Moore haters.

So, yeah, we'll know tomorrow and I hope we can put this subject away, burn it and salt the ground.

It's created a lot of hate between members.  I want it gone.

[musiclady]

No.  Wait just a goldern minute.  I see nothing wrong with his quote.  He clearly was describing slavery as a bad thing when he said, 'even though we had slavery."

A lot of people get nostalgic over what we think of as the good ole days even though they may shine in our memory much brighter than they did in reality.

But one thing is undeniably true.  Families did stay together a lot more in the old days.

We could argue all day about the reasons.  Women didn't have the same choices they do now.

But most of the marriages could have been saved if divorce weren't so common and acceptable.

The new shiny thing is not always better than the old thing that just needs to be polished.

People who are jumping like crazed hyenas on this quote are just Roy Moore haters.

So, yeah, we'll know tomorrow and I hope we can put this subject away, burn it and salt the ground.

It's created a lot of hate between members.  I want it gone.

I have only a few words to say: Slave families were destroyed by slavery.  He was asked the question by an African-American.

He's an idiot......even if you completely disregard the vileness of saying the time of slavery was good for families.

[edpc]

So, yeah, we'll know tomorrow and I hope we can put this subject away, burn it and salt the ground.

Nope.  The winner is only finishing the remainder of Sessions' term.  We'll get to do it all over again in 2020.  Maybe sooner, if a potential ethics investigation of Moore goes beyond the committee.

[XenaLee]

It doesn't matter how accurately you quote him.

Even if you happen to think that the days of slavery were the best days in America, you have to realize that what he said was stupid.

We don't need any more stupid Republicans.

And, for the record, I think what he actually said, quoted verbatim, is disturbing at every level.

Ehhh....

with all due respect....

with the exception of a scant few....

that's all we do have.

At this point, it begs the question..... what is one moore?  (pun intended)   ^-^

[Emjay]

I have only a few words to say: Slave families were destroyed by slavery.  He was asked the question by an African-American.

He's an idiot......even if you completely disregard the vileness of saying the time of slavery was good for families.

Look, you don't like him ... I get it, but you misunderstood the quote completely.  He did not say that the time of slavery was good for families.

He said that DURING the time of slavery and IN SPITE of slavery, families were strong during that period.

But, oh, hell, believe  what you want to.

[LMAO]

I have only a few words to say: Slave families were destroyed by slavery.  He was asked the question by an African-American.

He's an idiot......even if you completely disregard the vileness of saying the time of slavery was good for families.

He was asked the question when he thought America was great by a black person.

A perfect opportunity lost to tie the destruction  of the black family and community to the Great Society  specifically  and to the welfare state in general

[Cyber Liberty]

I have only a few words to say: Slave families were destroyed by slavery.  He was asked the question by an African-American.

He's an idiot......even if you completely disregard the vileness of saying the time of slavery was good for families.

She's right about one thing, though (if not others):  This Roy Moore thing has sown a great deal of hatred among our membership.  I wish I could say it's done tomorrow, but it won't be, regardless of how the election turns out.  Many bonds of trust and friendship have been broken over this, while the Democrats sit back and laugh at our foolishness.

[Cyber Liberty]

He was asked the question when he thought America was great by a black person.

A perfect opportunity lost to tie the destruction  of the black family and community to the Great Society  specifically  and to the welfare state in general

And he whiffed the low fastball.  Would have been an easy HR for a true conservative.   

[jmyrlefuller]

She's right about one thing, though (if not others):  This Roy Moore thing has sown a great deal of hatred among our membership.  I wish I could say it''s done tomorrow, but it won't be, regardless of how the election turns out.  Many bonds of trust and friendship have been broken over this, while the Democrats sit back and laugh at our foolishness.

And it shows how willingly some will believe a lie without questioning it, then dig in when presented with any evidence challenging it.

[Cyber Liberty]

And it shows how willingly some will believe a lie without questioning it, then dig in when presented with any evidence challenging it.

That's just it, Myrle.  We don't know if it is a lie or the truth, we never got the chance to mull it over in our own minds.  Before we could, we had people hollering at the top of their lungs what it was, as a means of persuading us to their "side." Volume and speed to execution replaced reason.  We had people on one side declaring the true conservative messiah, and people on the other dismissing the man as a pedophile (an inaccurate description even if the worst accusation is to be believed.  The correct word is "Ephebophilia").