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Sen. Rubio tells a secret: After giving a tax cut to the rich, GOP will cut Social Security and Medicare

......In a videotaped interview with two Politico reporters Wednesday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) said the quiet parts out loud. Asked by interviewers Anna Palmer and Jake Sherman how to address the federal deficit, he replied: “We have to do two things. We have to generate economic growth which generates revenue, while reducing spending. That will mean instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare for the future.”  The only thing that’s new here is the explicit admission by a Republican officeholder that this is the GOP’s master plan to eviscerate the welfare and retirement of American workers. Budget analysts have seen it coming with all the subtlety of a freight train. As we reported earlier this month, the damage begins with the so-called Paygo law (for “pay as you go”), which requires Congress to offset any increase in the federal deficit with spending cuts. The law limits Medicare cuts to 4% of its budget per year, or $25 billion of its $625-billion budget.

But $25 billion a year is a drastic cut that "would undermine the delivery of care to the 57 million seniors and disabled Americans who depend on the program," Max Richtman, head of the National Committee to Preserve Social Security and Medicare, said a couple of weeks ago..............

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"We still have time to responsibly structure those programs," he said of Social Security and Medicare, "in a way that doesn't impact current retirees or people about to retire, but in a way that would probably impact it for me and people younger than me." (He's 46.) This could be done "in ways you wouldn't really notice and wouldn't really object to."

No one should be fooled by this argument. Rubio is pursuing the classic strategy of the enemies of social insurance programs to make them increasingly irrelevant to future generations by promising cuts that the affected beneficiaries "wouldn't really notice." This only eases the path toward eliminating those programs outright.

But members of those future generations should take notice. Like today's beneficiaries and those of the past, they're paying for their future benefits with every paycheck, and they should be profoundly aware that Rubio and his fellow Republicans are merely preparing to rip them off.

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LOL. Letting Polutico losers roll you.

And to believe that dopes wanted this Rube to be President.

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All I can think of is whether I am over the age limit that will get deductions in Social Security? 

How far over 46?
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No one should be fooled by this argument. Rubio is pursuing the classic strategy of the enemies of social insurance programs to make them increasingly irrelevant to future generations by promising cuts that the affected beneficiaries "wouldn't really notice." This only eases the path toward eliminating those programs outright.

But members of those future generations should take notice. Like today's beneficiaries and those of the past, they're paying for their future benefits with every paycheck, and they should be profoundly aware that Rubio and his fellow Republicans are merely preparing to rip them off.

Ahhh bullshit. 

I knew waaaay back in the 80's that SoSec was going bankrupt and that the pretend "trust-fund" was broke and I wouldn't see a dime shaved out of my paychecks by the time I was ready to retire.   It did not surprise me in the 90s when I learned SoSec receipts went into the General Fund and squandered into fathomless debt and that 83% of all my income would have to be taxed into SoSec JUST to keep benefits at 1990 levels as the Boomers retired and the number of workers it took to cover the benefits of just one recipient would exponentially increase.  It's a Ponzi Scheme, just like the Pension fund debacles bankrupting cities and states across the country.

The government ALREADY ripped us all off having stolen every dime each one of us paid out of our incomes to provide those future benefits that will not be there much longer.

Simple economics.

I do not think this generation will tolerate 90% of their pay confiscated just to provide bennies for the generation that bankrupted it all.

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Several days ago, Trump said that after tax reform, they will reform welfare next.

Trump is the Governor of Gutium.






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So what??? SS and Medicare has to be reformed.
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What they're doing in laying out the argument the left will use to see to it that there are no cuts anywhere and we keep piling debt on current and future generations.  We know Social Security and the "entitlement" system HAVE TO BE reformed and that will involve cuts. 

Secondly, the "rich" are the ones who pay most of the taxes.  It follows that in a tax cut scheme, their taxes would be cut too.  And, proportionally more than those who pay little or no taxes.

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Ahhh bullshit. 

I knew waaaay back in the 80's that SoSec was going bankrupt and that the pretend "trust-fund" was broke and I wouldn't see a dime shaved out of my paychecks by the time I was ready to retire.   It did not surprise me in the 90s when I learned SoSec receipts went into the General Fund and squandered into fathomless debt and that 83% of all my income would have to be taxed into SoSec JUST to keep benefits at 1990 levels as the Boomers retired and the number of workers it took to cover the benefits of just one recipient would exponentially increase.  It's a Ponzi Scheme, just like the Pension fund debacles bankrupting cities and states across the country.

The government ALREADY ripped us all off having stolen every dime each one of us paid out of our incomes to provide those future benefits that will not be there much longer.

Simple economics.

I do not think this generation will tolerate 90% of their pay confiscated just to provide bennies for the generation that bankrupted it all.

A reckonin' is a commin'.

INVAR,  you're right.  The sad thing is,  the Social Security system really could have been fixed painlessly 20 years ago.   Now it will require sacrifices.  And if we wait another 10-15 years,  those sacrifices will be enormous.

The trend in the public sector has been to preserve the defined benefit system for existing workers while limiting new hires to matched savings vehicles (for the private sector, that train left the station years ago).   There are advantages, to be sure,  to the latter, especially if you die young - you can build wealth for your family.   But if you live long, a savings account will be gone before you are.   Social Security is, for most of us, the only vehicle that provides income security in old age.   What's happening is a growing gap in expectations between folks of my age and older, and my kids and grandkids.   The latter will never know the feeling of security in old age.   

Having spent my career in the field of employee benefits,  I've become convinced of the need to preserve Social Security, because employers don't offer any equivalent income security vehicle anymore.   And employers,  because of our changing world, are loathe to hire workers for the long haul.  The crisis in the white working class is, plain and simple, due to the private sector's rational reaction to globalism and technology.   

But Rubio's right - to save Social Security it will have to be restructured - and that means more revenues and less benefits, folks.   No other way to do it.   20 years ago we seemed to have begun the necessary conversation,  but now our eyes are glued back shut and we've returned to the mode of passing the buck, and passing it again, until our grandkids are left holding the bag.   

One change I'd make is to eliminate automatic cost of living increases.   Let such increases be enacted by Congress when it can summon the political will to do so.  At least that will give some power to younger Americans to counter the most powerful lobby in the history of America -  old folks who've gotten theirs and want to keep it, no matter how high the cost to the rest of us.     
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So what??? SS and Medicare has to be reformed.




Trump promised his supporters that Social Security, etc would not be touched.

Yeah.. what's the big deal...  so he lied.





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So what??? SS and Medicare has to be reformed.

Absolutely. Particularly mediscam.

We could go on with Socialist Insecurity in its present form. Certainly we can reform it for the better...Ala' the Chile model. Yes, there are changeover costs... but they can be born.

Medi-Scam is another beast, almost pure welfare. And a bankrupting one as well. Reforming SS would solve that problem for the next generation. The Q is how do you deal with the 40 plus crowd now?
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Several days ago, Trump said that after tax reform, they will reform welfare next.

Trump is the Governor of Gutium.
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All I can think of is whether I am over the age limit that will get deductions in Social Security? 

How far over 46?
Don't understand what you mean deductions in Social Security.
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Just because it's a third rail, that doesn't mean it's not a Ponzi scheme.
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From the article...
“But members of those future generations should take notice. Like today's beneficiaries and those of the past, they're paying for their future benefits with every paycheck, and they should be profoundly aware that Rubio and his fellow Republicans are merely preparing to rip them off.”

Its painfully  obvious that this writer has no clue how SS works.

Today’s young people are not paying for their future benefits. That money is taken out of their checks for current recipients.
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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?
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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?

No flaming from me.  I think it would have been a good thing.

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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?

You can bet it would've been reversed by the same Congress and President that gave us O-care.  We'd now have something much worse, like guaranteed minimum income for all.
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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?

It may come to that,at least partially, anyways
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Folks, as currently structured, Socialist Insecurity and MediSCam are nothing less than socialist/democrat ponzi scams.

It starts with the worthless POS fdr.

The only question is how to transition to a system which empowers the individual.... not the socialist State. Certainly,  15.4% (SS and mediscam) of someones working life should provide an actual retirement... instead of what we get from our politicians for that amount.
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@Jazzhead I'm late to this conversation (I was busy enjoying myself listening to you admit to lying about why you hate Roy Moore.  Sorry).  I knew you would be four-square in favor of screwing people who had spent a life time being forced to invest in a retirement scheme you can't wait to loot.   You never fail to impress.  I assume your 401K is well funded...or do you plan on finding a way to steal that from old folks too?  Eff 'em, right?  They're old, what can they do?

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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?

I think it would have been a good thing. 
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@Jazzhead I'm late to this conversation (I was busy enjoying myself listening to you admit to lying about why you hate Roy Moore.  Sorry).  I knew you would be four-square in favor of screwing people who had spent a life time being forced to invest in a retirement scheme you can't wait to loot.   You never fail to impress.  I assume your 401K is well funded...or do you plan on finding a way to steal that from old folks too?  Eff 'em, right?  They're old, what can they do?

My disgust for your disgrace knows no bounds.

Agreed ... those that have worked and paid into the system, should reap the benefits.
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   Just a Thought, Flame me if you wish for this thought but had GWB achieved the privatization of SS as he advocated back then on his 2000 Campaign Trail with the Stock Market setting records almost every year since he left office, maybe that would have been a good thing?

All I heard about when this was proposed was that evil wall street bankers and financial institutions would squander SS and Grandma would have to eat dog food or something.  Meanwhile, the ones who were bankrupting SS were the politicians who stole from the program for years to finance their pet projects.  They couldn't stand the notion that once the program privatized, they wouldn't have a cash cow to milk anymore.

If done right, privatization would have managed the money a helluva lot better than government could have.

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Folks, as currently structured, Socialist Insecurity and MediSCam are nothing less than socialist/democrat ponzi scams.

It starts with the worthless POS fdr.

The only question is how to transition to a system which empowers the individual.... not the socialist State. Certainly,  15.4% (SS and mediscam) of someones working life should provide an actual retirement... instead of what we get from our politicians for that amount.

GREAT post!  Every word profoundly true!   :beer:
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