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Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« on: November 15, 2017, 10:48:04 am »
November 15, 2017
Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
By Joseph Smith

Newly combative Democrats are counting on anti-Trump fever to drive 2018 election turnout, while apprehensive Republicans debate running as Jeb Bush or winning as Donald Trump.

In a scene reminiscent of the throngs of people attending Tea Party meetings on the night Obamacare was passed, the manager of a successful campaign to unseat a Republican in the Virginia House of Delegates recalls the scene of her first campaign meeting, as The New York Times reports (emphasis original):

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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2017, 02:58:09 pm »
Well, I didn't see this coming, but I don't see Trump as the problem here. The GOP leadership might try to shove this off on Trump, or even "nevertrumpers" but that isn't what the 2018 election will be about.

It will be about the rank failure of the GOP to repeal the ACA, to build the wall, and to secure the borders, to remove the penalties of the ACA, among a host of other promises made and not delivered on.

People who are increasingly under pressure to perform in jobs (if they still have them) are going to look at the Grand Old Party's nonfeasance after a decade of providing what the Party needed to fulfill its promises and say "You're fired!"

Many out here in the real world, away from the ivory cloisters of the halls of power have been hanging on by the skin of our teeth, lost wages, business, businesses, and jobs--not to mention health care policies which were adequate for our needs but were eliminated by the tender mercies of the ACA leaving us paying multiples for worse insurance--and waiting for the do-nothing party to get something done about the policies which have wrought destruction on the Middle Class.

It. Ain't. Happening.

They are too busy attacking those among their ranks who aren't swamp dwellers and busy waving excuses for them to fulfill those promises made to TEA party folks who put many of them in office (or at least cast the deciding bloc of ballots).

Well, that support will be lukewarm at best, because instead of being ready to use the power they were given, they've acted like a couple of rutting deer in the headlights, busy fighting over who gets the harem up there in DC instead of doing their job. They came into the session mostly unprepared, and will leave it the same way.
That's in serious contrast to the opposition Liberal Democrats who, when they get control,  have the stack ready to stuff the hopper and get more shit done during their first 100 days than an elephant herd with dysentery. Why? Because while the GOP was deciding which pair of sweat socks to put on back in the locker room, the Dems were on the field, in formation with the plays all memorized--and playing for the same team. I don't agree with anything much they do, but I must admire how efficiently they get it done.

While the GOP leadership will try to pump this off on Trump, they know the drill. They know how things work on the Hill. They know what the little people who cast the thousands or even millions of votes which put them in office wanted them to get done when they made that choice, and they promised it to them--Not just not teaching our grade school kids how to have anal sex, but for the Congress to quit practicing it on the electorate and get the Federal Government off our collective back.

If the GOP goes down in an electoral bloodbath, they need to remember, they are the only ones holding the knife. It's sad to say, but here I thought the GOP leaders would be the apex predators of the Swamp. Oops, my bad. Instead we just have the bottom feeders, longing to lurk in the lucrative comfort of the shadows.

They will try to blame Trump, but from what I have seen, he has done what he can with his pen and phone--maybe a bit too much on occasion. The rest is up to Congress.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2017, 03:04:47 pm »
As I have said before, we lost the Congress in '06 with a perfectly civil statesman in George W. Bush at the Presidential helm, and the same level of rabid vitriol spewed out then as is today.

Why? Because the GOP Congress didn't do their job.

Same scenario, slightly less civil President. When are McConnell and Ryan going to realize it's all on them?
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2017, 03:05:44 pm »
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If the GOP goes down in an electoral bloodbath, they need to remember, they are the only ones holding the knife. It's sad to say, but here I thought the GOP leaders would be the apex predators of the Swamp. Oops, my bad. Instead we just have the bottom feeders, longing to lurk in the lucrative comfort of the shadows.

They will try to blame Trump, but from what I have seen, he has done what he can with his pen and phone--maybe a bit too much on occasion. The rest is up to Congress.

Amen.

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2017, 03:32:44 pm »
If Trump is finding it frustrating to work with the Congress as it is constituted today, I suspect he'll REALLY be frustrated if there's a smaller GOP majority or a slight Democratic majority.  I don't believe it's in the President best interest to continue to attack members of the party he's supposed to be leading.  He might learn that AFTER the 2018 mid-terms, but unfortunately, I can't see him learning it prior to the mid-terms.  As implied in the link in the OP, the excitement on the Democratic side is palpable.  It's a shame there's not a leader on the Republican side capable of pulling the party together and creating similar (positive) excitement on that side.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2017, 03:37:29 pm »
If Trump is finding it frustrating to work with the Congress as it is constituted today, I suspect he'll REALLY be frustrated if there's a smaller GOP majority or a slight Democratic majority.  I don't believe it's in the President best interest to continue to attack members of the party he's supposed to be leading.  He might learn that AFTER the 2018 mid-terms, but unfortunately, I can't see him learning it prior to the mid-terms.  As implied in the link in the OP, the excitement on the Democratic side is palpable.  It's a shame there's not a leader on the Republican side capable of pulling the party together and creating similar (positive) excitement on that side.

The president wasn't elected to follow the lead of the majority in congress. It is/was their responsibility to give him a chance to lead.

They never cooperated, their base is pissed and both executive and the majority in congress will likely pay the price in 2018.

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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2017, 03:44:24 pm »
The president wasn't elected to follow the lead of the majority in congress. It is/was their responsibility to give him a chance to lead.

They never cooperated, their base is pissed and both executive and the majority in congress will likely pay the price in 2018.

Well, the President ran on repeal and replace, building a wall, getting Mexico to pay for the wall, proposing a term limit Constitutional Amendment, and tax reform.  What was HIS plan to accomplish these things?  He said he alone could "fix" Washington.  Well?  As I said, if the GOP majority gets smaller in 2018, I think it'll be even more difficult for him to keep his promises, but he will be able to blame his own party as his legislative agenda further stalls.  I doubt that blame game will be enough to get him re-elected in 2020 though.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2017, 03:52:07 pm »
Well, the President ran on repeal and replace, building a wall, getting Mexico to pay for the wall, proposing a term limit Constitutional Amendment, and tax reform.  What was HIS plan to accomplish these things?  He said he alone could "fix" Washington.  Well?  As I said, if the GOP majority gets smaller in 2018, I think it'll be even more difficult for him to keep his promises, but he will be able to blame his own party as his legislative agenda further stalls.  I doubt that blame game will be enough to get him re-elected in 2020 though.
Nothing the President ran on was at odds with the promises the GOP candidates made when they desperately needed that majority in both houses to accomplish those things.
ACA repeal, border control, taxes, excess regulations, and conservative justices on the SCOTUS and elsewhere  were all things the GOP base had been clamoring for, and the TEA party folks wanted that, too.
Well, the electorate delivered the tools the GOP needed: A majority in both houses of Congress, and the White House, too. The GOP is out of excuses and the electorate is angry that they haven't done what they said they would.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2017, 04:11:50 pm »
Well, I didn't see this coming, but I don't see Trump as the problem here. The GOP leadership might try to shove this off on Trump, or even "nevertrumpers" but that isn't what the 2018 election will be about.

It will be about the rank failure of the GOP to repeal the ACA, to build the wall, and to secure the borders, to remove the penalties of the ACA, among a host of other promises made and not delivered on.


BINGO!

The Republican Party killed itself by becoming just another activist arm of the federal Statist Oligarchy.   It thinks it can manage big government Socialism better than the Democrats and has no problem ramming that down our throats by handing the Democrats their agenda while doing shit to make good on promises to roll it back.

The GOP deserves only to be buried alongside the Whig Party in it's own ashes.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2017, 04:30:10 pm »
The Congressional leaders have said it.  They don't care who is President, Democrat or Republican, its all a game to them.   They don't even really care about who holds the majority.   All they care about is their personal power and of course money.  The rank and file Congressional members are pawns to be used.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2017, 04:42:33 pm »
Of course they do. I've been saying that very thing for months.

Once the Dems regain control, the Pubs can run and hide back in their holes like the weasels they are, and just blame everything on the Dems.

You think the Republicans 'like' having their bluff called by Trump? No way, they hate it.
You think the Republicans 'like' all the pressure they are getting to actually "do something!" Not a chance.

The Republican establishment and the Democrat establishment basically have the same goals and objectives. The Republicans don't mind if the Democrats are in charge, in fact they like it. That would allow the Pubs to cruise along with their now famous "mock outrage", and everything they want gets done without them having to take responsibility for any of it.

If the Democrats regain control in the midterms, most Republicans will breath a big sigh of relief and pop champagne.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2017, 05:07:15 pm »

The Republican establishment and the Democrat establishment basically have the same goals and objectives. The Republicans don't mind if the Democrats are in charge, in fact they like it. That would allow the Pubs to cruise along with their now famous "mock outrage", and everything they want gets done without them having to take responsibility for any of it.

If the Democrats regain control in the midterms, most Republicans will breath a big sigh of relief and pop champagne.

I think there is truth to this, in that I expect the GOP thinks they get more money in 'help us stop the Democrats' pleas than they do by being in charge.

Again, we have seen this show before, in 2006.

I think we are going to have a much bigger repeat of that landslide by the 'Rats, because at this point a larger number of Conservatives no longer believe the Republican Party is anything other than another arm of the Democrat party, and totally useless in forwarding an agenda.  The GOP having absolutely no record of accomplishing anything they have campaigned on in the last 7 years outside of protecting Obama's agenda.  Since they have been given all power - they have not done a thing to fulfill their empty promises to roll it back or stop it.

Instead they sought to 'reform it' and put their name on it for total ownership.

And I think a large number are done with them.  I know I am.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2017, 05:25:59 pm »
Nothing the President ran on was at odds with the promises the GOP candidates made when they desperately needed that majority in both houses to accomplish those things.

ACA repeal, border control, taxes, excess regulations, and conservative justices on the SCOTUS and elsewhere  were all things the GOP base had been clamoring for, and the TEA party folks wanted that, too.

Well, the electorate delivered the tools the GOP needed: A majority in both houses of Congress, and the White House, too. The GOP is out of excuses and the electorate is angry that they haven't done what they said they would.

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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2017, 06:13:06 pm »
If the national Republican Party loses ground for the third six-year term in a row, after blue-wave elections in 2006 AND 2012, they can kiss any chance of a majority in the foreseeable future goodbye. They need to claw back what they've lost.
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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2017, 06:15:41 pm »
If the national Republican Party loses ground for the third six-year term in a row, after blue-wave elections in 2006 AND 2012, they can kiss any chance of a majority in the foreseeable future goodbye. They need to claw back what they've lost.

They don't want to.  Being in the majority has nothing in it for them.  All it does is expose who and what they truly are.

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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
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They don't want to.  Being in the majority has nothing in it for them.  All it does is expose who and what they truly are.

Wow.

We agree on a core issue.


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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2017, 06:19:31 pm »
Wow.

We agree on a core issue.


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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
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What the heck does it matter if they lose in 2018, they roll over and give the democrats whatever they want now.

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Re: Do Republicans want to lose in the 2018 midterms?
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2017, 11:37:55 pm »
What the heck does it matter if they lose in 2018, they roll over and give the democrats whatever they want now.

Exactly.

It's a complete wash so it does not matter which party is in power, because the Collectivist Beast will still grow and enslave and impoverish us no matter which party has the most corrupt sycophants in it.

Past time to start over.
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