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I agree ... but the keyword here is "IF".  If indeed he is guilty then he should step aside.  Nothing has been proven and again I find it more probable that this is nothing more than the GOPe (namely McConnell) finding a way to get rid of the threat that Moore would bring to his precious country club!

Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore

...“If it is true, I don’t think his candidacy is sustainable,” Cornyn added, according to the Politico report. “But we believe in a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And so I think it’s important for the facts to come out.”......

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Cruz called on Moore to step aside if the allegations are true.

“These are serious and troubling allegations,” he said in a statement to the American-Statesman. “If they are true, Judge Moore should immediately withdraw. However, we need to know the truth, and Judge Moore has the right to respond to these accusations.”...........

http://www.statesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/cornyn-cruz-react-sexual-misconduct-allegation-against-roy-moore/EFpN8jqPfriuSxuyEdOUQO/

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2017, 07:52:19 pm »
It will NOT be objectively known for certain by the election, if it is true. It is planned and orchestrated to be so.

It has now come out one of the accusers, is a democrat political operative. It has come out one of the accusers is a druggie.

All in all, my common sense says it is a planned last minute hit job. These things are planned to have some element of truth.

Moore spent 9 years at West Point, then in the Army including Vietnam. At the end of that he would be about 27 years old in the tumultuous 1970s.

Some cutie says she is 16-17 and a guy falls for it.

I do NOT think that disqualifies him for the US Senate in 2017. None of these accusers claims he forced himself on them.

Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2017, 08:00:09 pm »
It will NOT be objectively known for certain by the election, if it is true. It is planned and orchestrated to be so.

It has now come out one of the accusers, is a democrat political operative. It has come out one of the accusers is a druggie.

All in all, my common sense says it is a planned last minute hit job. These things are planned to have some element of truth.

Moore spent 9 years at West Point, then in the Army including Vietnam. At the end of that he would be about 27 years old in the tumultuous 1970s.

Some cutie says she is 16-17 and a guy falls for it.

I do NOT think that disqualifies him for the US Senate in 2017. None of these accusers claims he forced himself on them.

Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.


Good for you!   You two are blessed. 


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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2017, 08:07:43 pm »
It will NOT be objectively known for certain by the election, if it is true. It is planned and orchestrated to be so.

It has now come out one of the accusers, is a democrat political operative. It has come out one of the accusers is a druggie.

All in all, my common sense says it is a planned last minute hit job. These things are planned to have some element of truth.

Moore spent 9 years at West Point, then in the Army including Vietnam. At the end of that he would be about 27 years old in the tumultuous 1970s.

Some cutie says she is 16-17 and a guy falls for it.

I do NOT think that disqualifies him for the US Senate in 2017. None of these accusers claims he forced himself on them.

Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.

The sad thing is McConnell is probably behind all this; he wants Strange in place as he poses no threat to him.  I can't wait till McConnell vacates the swamp.

Congrats on your upcoming Golden Anniversary!  My hubby and I will be celebrating our 35th in December.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2017, 08:15:30 pm »
The stupid party is so stupid. They are willing to give up a winable senate seat just
so they can look pure. Idiots. Fools like these are why we always lose even when
we win.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2017, 08:19:02 pm »
It will NOT be objectively known for certain by the election, if it is true. It is planned and orchestrated to be so.

It has now come out one of the accusers, is a democrat political operative. It has come out one of the accusers is a druggie.

All in all, my common sense says it is a planned last minute hit job. These things are planned to have some element of truth.

Moore spent 9 years at West Point, then in the Army including Vietnam. At the end of that he would be about 27 years old in the tumultuous 1970s.

Some cutie says she is 16-17 and a guy falls for it.

I do NOT think that disqualifies him for the US Senate in 2017. None of these accusers claims he forced himself on them.

Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.

I seem to recall the avalanche of insistence not entirely too long ago, that what a man did in his private life, many years ago - has absolutely no bearing on how he will govern in office.

Many Republican Reps as well as every Democrat near a microphone and a camera said as much at the time.

Hell, we heard the same thing over Trump's gropings and curt inappropriate comments about women.

Funny how that insistence never works for a Conservative.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2017, 08:23:33 pm »
It will NOT be objectively known for certain by the election, if it is true. It is planned and orchestrated to be so.

It has now come out one of the accusers, is a democrat political operative. It has come out one of the accusers is a druggie.

All in all, my common sense says it is a planned last minute hit job. These things are planned to have some element of truth.

Moore spent 9 years at West Point, then in the Army including Vietnam. At the end of that he would be about 27 years old in the tumultuous 1970s.

Some cutie says she is 16-17 and a guy falls for it.

I do NOT think that disqualifies him for the US Senate in 2017. None of these accusers claims he forced himself on them.

Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.

Unfortunately the most credible one is the 14 years old at the time one.  That would have been a felony and he would have known it at the time. The others are bit creepy, but not terribly concerning.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2017, 08:36:47 pm »


Full disclusure. I married my current and only wife at age 19 when she was 17. All of the detractors and know-it-all busybodies said it would never last. Yet in Jan. we will celebrate 50 years of marriage.

Looking at your avatar/photograph, I'd say you ain't had a haircut since.

Just goofing off, congratulations.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2017, 09:18:58 pm »
I agree ... but the keyword here is "IF".  If indeed he is guilty then he should step aside.  Nothing has been proven and again I find it more probable that this is nothing more than the GOPe (namely McConnell) finding a way to get rid of the threat that Moore would bring to his precious country club!

Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore

...“If it is true, I don’t think his candidacy is sustainable,” Cornyn added, according to the Politico report. “But we believe in a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. And so I think it’s important for the facts to come out.”......

.......   

Cruz called on Moore to step aside if the allegations are true.

“These are serious and troubling allegations,” he said in a statement to the American-Statesman. “If they are true, Judge Moore should immediately withdraw. However, we need to know the truth, and Judge Moore has the right to respond to these accusations.”...........

http://www.statesman.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/cornyn-cruz-react-sexual-misconduct-allegation-against-roy-moore/EFpN8jqPfriuSxuyEdOUQO/

For whatever it is worth, Roy Moore has already blamed the democrats and washington post but by all means blame McConnell.   :beer:


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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2017, 10:21:06 pm »
For whatever it is worth, Roy Moore has already blamed the democrats and washington post but by all means blame McConnell.   

I do.

He was the first one yesterday to come out locally and demand that Roy Moore "step aside".

Strange was his boy - and the Turtle was not going to allow another Bevin to toss monkey wrenches into his plans to make Big Statist Government a Republican enterprise.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2017, 11:21:04 pm »
Unfortunately the most credible one is the 14 years old at the time one.  That would have been a felony and he would have known it at the time. The others are bit creepy, but not terribly concerning.

Congrats!  Wonderful story.  I had a college friend who didn't get married until she was 27.  Everyone was wonder ... what the heck?

Most people got married right out of high school or college back in the day.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2017, 11:35:42 pm »
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Having read the detailed description of the incidents, as well as the response from Judge Moore and his campaign, I can no longer endorse his candidacy for the US Senate.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2017, 12:18:42 am »
As noted these allegations will not be proven or dis-proven until after the election if ever....

What I find concerning is that so many on the right have come out and said even if the allegation are true it makes no difference.....

The election of Moore under the cloud of theses allegations will give those on the left ammunition to smear Conservatives but that's politics.

What I find much more damaging is those that claim to be Conservative asserting that even if the allegations are true it makes no difference...excuse me?

If anyone claiming to be a Conservative finds the alleged conduct acceptable under any circumstances then I am not a Conservative and I have no wish to be associated with the degenerates who have sullied the once proud Conservative cause.... :shrug:

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2017, 01:37:54 am »
I saw a chart, it seems about 24 to 30 legislators (Senators like Cruz, etc.) endorsed Moore originally and now, they've virtually all withdrawn their endorsements. That indicates something.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 01:55:07 am »
Sanguine wrote:
"Unfortunately the most credible one is the 14 years old at the time one.  That would have been a felony and he would have known it at the time. The others are bit creepy, but not terribly concerning."

I believe that on Hannity's show today, Judge Moore categorically denied ever having known the [alleged] 14-year-old.

So... it comes down to "she said... he said".

I will join the side of the anti-Moores after two things happen:
1. The [now adult] 14-year-old submits to a lie-detector test.
and if she passes,
2. Judge Moore does the same.

Otherwise, take those "charges" and stuff 'em where the sun don't shine.
Forty years ago is "too long, too late, too fabricated."

Somewhere else I recall reading that in Alabama, at the time, the age of consent was 16.
Were all the young ladies Moore hinted an interest in 16 or older?
End of story.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2017, 01:57:17 am »
TomSea wrote:
"I saw a chart, it seems about 24 to 30 legislators (Senators like Cruz, etc.) endorsed Moore originally and now, they've virtually all withdrawn their endorsements. That indicates something."

What it "indicates" to me is that they're all mealy-mouthed buttholes with feet of clay.
Who probably will go to bed at night thinking "I'm glad it wasn't ME who got caught...."

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2017, 04:07:22 am »
If this is truly in Moore's personal history, his arrogance in holding public office is astounding to me...but we all know he's not the Lone Ranger.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2017, 04:19:43 am »
The stupid party is so stupid. They are willing to give up a winable senate seat just
so they can look pure. Idiots. Fools like these are why we always lose even when
we win.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2017, 06:24:54 am »
It's unraveling as we speak!

https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/11/10/roy-moores-two-accusers-leigh-corfmans-age-was-17-not-14-has-history-of-making-false-allegations-deborah-gibson-a-dem-volunteer/

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2017, 02:12:26 pm »

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I seem to remember a volcano worth of Anti Trump Ash, Noxious Gases, Cinders and Choking Smoke belching forth over Putin collusion that went on for Ever, until the whole story was unearthed, and using Democrat Spin and Fabrications were no longer Possible for #NeverTrumpers to hide their angst behind.

Are we heading off down that same road again with Roy Moore?, 'cause it sure looks that way to me.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2017, 02:22:19 pm »
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Having read the detailed description of the incidents, as well as the response from Judge Moore and his campaign, I can no longer endorse his candidacy for the US Senate.

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Mike Lee is a profile in courage, and to think I used to like him. Well it's Utah. I often
wonder about Utah.  Lee just couldn't wait to throw Moore under the bus. Our side
deserves to lose they are pathetic.

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2017, 02:25:49 pm »
Mike Lee is a profile in courage, and to think I used to like him. Well it's Utah. I often
wonder about Utah.  Lee just couldn't wait to throw Moore under the bus. Our side
deserves to lose they are pathetic.

Now, that I see Mike Lee is a Mormon, perhaps he and Mitt are just banding together.
https://www.deseretnews.com/top/1108/5/Sen-Mike-Lee-17-Mormons-in-Congress-in-2013.html

I think Lee and Romney are wrong to automatically pull support from Moore or ask him to step down but it won't mean I will have a hate on both men.

In fact, being more solid  in saying Moore should step down (that is wrong) isn't much worse than those who just say "if it is true", that's just a CYA statement, having it both ways.
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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2017, 02:28:28 pm »
Mike Lee is a profile in courage, and to think I used to like him. Well it's Utah. I often
wonder about Utah.  Lee just couldn't wait to throw Moore under the bus. Our side
deserves to lose they are pathetic.

Wait - you're willing to rush to judgement on Lee but not on Moore? 

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Re: Cornyn, Cruz react to sexual misconduct allegation against Roy Moore
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2017, 02:28:38 pm »
As noted these allegations will not be proven or dis-proven until after the election if ever....

The election of Moore under the cloud of theses allegations will give those on the left ammunition to smear Conservatives but that's politics.


Democrats (Marxists) are going to smear conservatives whether Moore is elected or
not. Smear is what they do and that plus identity politics is all they've got.

As for the "don't care" thing. The election is 30 days, it is an important election
which we need to win. So let's win it and deal with these allegations later.