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Convoy ONS 5
« on: November 07, 2017, 05:40:02 am »
ONS 5 was the 5th of the numbered ONS series of Slow trade convoys Outbound from the British Isles to North America. The North Atlantic battle surrounding it in May 1943 is regarded as the turning point of the Battle of the Atlantic in World War II. The battle ebbed and flowed over a period of a week, and involved more than 50 Allied ships and their escorts, and over 30 U-boats. It saw heavy losses on both sides. However it was almost the last Allied convoy to do so, while losses inflicted on attacking U-boats and U-boat groups became a besetting feature of the campaign; As such it is seen as the point when the tactical and strategic advantage passed to the Allies, and ushered in the period known to Nazi Germany's Kriegsmarine as Black May.



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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2017, 05:42:49 am »
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2017, 05:48:37 am »


Hummm... any analogy to the upcoming three carrier drill in the western Pacific ??


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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2017, 05:48:57 am »
It is this battle where the German Submarines had a advantage and harass Allied shipping came to an end.30-40 U- Boats were involved in the battle.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2017, 05:51:05 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 05:48:57 am


It is this battle where the German Submarines to have an advantage and harass Allied shipping came to an end.



You know who still rules the seven seas.
But that won't last forever.

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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2017, 05:53:01 am »
Quote from: KingsX on November 07, 2017, 05:51:05 am

You know who still rules the seven seas.
But that won't last forever.

The Allies won because of better technology and able to coordinate with aircraft. The country with superior technology always have ruled the waves.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2017, 06:07:15 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 05:53:01 am


The Allies won because better technology and able to coordinate with aircraft. The country with superior technology always have ruled the waves.



History tells us that sometimes in spite of the enemy being more powerful... sometimes the weaker underdog wins.



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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2017, 06:07:56 am »
Quote from: KingsX on November 07, 2017, 06:07:15 am

History tells us that sometimes in spite of the enemy being more powerful... sometimes the weaker underdog wins.

Give me an example.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2017, 06:12:28 am »
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Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 06:07:56 am
Give me an example.

You cannot mention the Germans because that was due to mismanagement and priorities were also due to mismanagement of natural resourses.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 06:17:21 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 06:12:28 am
:th_10444:
You cannot mention the Germans because that was due to mismanagement and priorities were also due to mismanagement of natural resourses.

You cannot mention the Japanese either. In the beginning they were winning.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2017, 06:27:44 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 06:07:56 am

Give me an example.



The ancient Babylonian empire was more wealthy and powerful than Cyrus' Persia.  As it turned out, it was the Babylonians' nearsighted pride in their invincibility that doomed them when a much more clever Cyrus conquered the city of Babylon by stealth in one night.





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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 06:37:58 am »
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The ancient Babylonian empire was more wealthy and powerful than Cyrus' Persia.  As it turned out, it was the Babylonians' nearsighted pride in their invincibility that doomed them when a much more clever Cyrus conquered the city of Babylon by stealth in one night.

Xenophon, Herodotus, and Daniel agree that the city was taken by surprise, at the time of a festival, and with some (but apparently not much) loss of life.  You can say it was not completely taken by stealth means.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 06:39:02 am »



Ironically,  not only is the Bible's prophetic end time global empire symbolically called Babylon...
Rev 16:12 is how the king from the east, Cyrus, conquered Babylon.  Like a thief [Rev 16:15.]


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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 07:08:25 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 06:37:58 am

Xenophon, Herodotus, and Daniel agree that the city was taken by surprise, at the time of a festival, and with some (but apparently not much) loss of life.  You can say it was not completely taken by stealth means.



Yes,  I have read those accounts by both ancient Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon as well as the book of Daniel.

Cyrus' troops had dug canals.  Then on the night of Babylon's festival while the Babylonians were partying drunk in the streets...  Cyrus' troops diverted the water from the Euphrates River at Babylon, so they could secretly enter the city by going under Babylon's great wall that was too strong to overtly breach.  Cyrus' troops pretended to be fellow Babylonians while they made their way undetected along the city streets to the palace.





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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2017, 07:12:26 am »
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Yes,  I have read those accounts by both ancient Greek historians Herodotus and Xenophon as well as the book of Daniel.

Cyrus' troops had dug canals.  Then on the night of Babylon's festival while the Babylonians were partying drunk in the streets...  Cyrus' troops diverted the water from the Euphrates River at Babylon, so they could secretly enter the city by going under Babylon's great wall that was too strong to overtly breach.  Cyrus' troops pretended to be fellow Babylonians while they made their way undetected along the city streets to the palace.

If they were stealth there would be no causalties. In this case they had causalties. So, they were not completely stealth. Stealth in the dictionary is absence of noise or movement.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 07:16:29 am »



Cyrus' secret troop invasion was not led by Cyrus himself... but by the Babylonian governor of Gutium who had defected to Cyrus.   Cyrus entered the city of Babylon in triumph a couple of weeks later... probably riding a white horse [Rev 19:11.]  White horses were sacred to the ancient Aryan Persians and Cyrus had taken sacred white horses with him in his campaign against Babylon.  According to Herodotus, it was an incident with one of Cyrus' white horses that gave Cyrus the brilliant idea to divert the water of the Euphrates River so his troops could secretly enter and conquer the city of Babylon by stealth.



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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 07:18:53 am »
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Cyrus' secret troop invasion was not led by Cyrus himself... but by the Babylonian governor of Gutium who had defected to Cyrus.   Cyrus entered the city of Babylon in triumph a couple of weeks later... probably riding a white horse [Rev 19:11.]  White horses were sacred to the ancient Aryan Persians and Cyrus had taken sacred white horses with him in his campaign against Babylon.  According to Herodotus, it was an incident with one of Cyrus' white horses that gave Cyrus the brilliant idea to divert the water of the Euphrates River so his troops could secretly enter and conquer the city of Babylon by stealth.

Some people died. So he was not in a stealth mode
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 07:20:50 am »



Ironically,  there is a major military today that has a 'warrior on a white horse' on their uniforms.


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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 07:22:11 am »
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Some people died. So he was not in a stealth mode




Don't be so stuck on that one tree that you fail to see the forest.


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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 07:31:29 am »


Most everyone has heard about the book of Daniel's famous "handwriting on the wall."

That was the same night of Cyrus' secret invasion of Babylon.   

Daniel was in the palace where Babylon's king was having his drunken party. 

Then an invisible hand wrote something mysterious on the palace wall.

" MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN "
 
Of all the wise men in Babylon,  only Daniel could interpret the mystery.

" This is the interpretation of the message: 'MENE-- God has numbered your kingdom and put an end to it.  'TEKEL '-- you have been weighed on the scales and found deficient. 'PERES '-- your kingdom has been divided and given over to the Medes and Persians."

Daniel 5:25-28

According to ancient Greek historian Herodotus,  Cyrus was half Persian and half Mede.  He was the king who united the Aryan Medes and Aryan Persians into one empire.


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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 07:33:41 am »
Quote from: KingsX on November 07, 2017, 07:22:11 am


Don't be so stuck on that one tree that you fail to see the forest.

I am going what the word stealth means. And he did say that there were some causalties.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 07:41:28 am »
Quote from: DemolitionMan on November 07, 2017, 07:33:41 am

I am going what the word stealth means. And he did say that there were some causalties.



Daniel 5:30 documents at least one major causality.




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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 07:42:42 am »
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Daniel 5:30 documents at least one major causality.

Then they did not go in stealth. There was a casualty. If they went in completely stealth, there would be no casualty. It would be casualty free.
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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 07:56:38 am »
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Then they did not go in stealth. There was a casualty. If they went in completely stealth, there would be no casualty. It would be casualty free.



As I previously posted [and per Xenophon]  Cyrus' troops secretly invaded the city of Babylon and pretended to be Babylonians while they stealthy proceeded undetected through the city streets until they reached the palace.  As with any secret military invasion...  once the trap is sprung, there are casualties.  The Trojan horse is another historic example.




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Re: Convoy ONS 5
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2017, 08:08:32 am »



Jeremiah 50:23-24 also mentions the trap that causes Babylon to fall.

" How the hammer of the whole earth has been cut off and broken! How Babylon has become an object of horror among the nations!

I set a snare for you and you were also caught, O Babylon, while you yourself were not aware; You have been found and also seized because you have engaged in conflict with the Lord. "

New American Standard Bible






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