'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

[austingirl]

Presser- cell phone of shooter turned over to the FBI for analysis- will not discuss victims or Air Force screw up. Monster's Ruger being examined by ATF all indications it is semi-auto.

[austingirl]

Cell phone locked and can't get in yet -won't identify phone. 136 Texas Rangers working the evidence-well trained in crime scene analysis.

[austingirl]

$6500 available from crime victim's fund for burial. Someone is donating all the caskets.

[austingirl]

Will not say why perp was denied a carry permit- protected information. No accomplices found.

[austingirl]

Also, the guy left the church, he could have stayed there and kept firing away, concealed weapons may not have had that big of an impact, in fact, the Texas gun man might have gotten killed earlier because he was a coward and left and a coward because he killed himself. The good Sams may not have necessarily changed the situation.

Wrong- the killer stopped to engage the hero neighbor and it is known he saved lives.

[austingirl]

Leftist media asking if he used a bump stock- he did not.

[jmyrlefuller]

That's right and he did it barefoot. He believes God protected him and gave him the ability to do what he did. God bless him and the young man who helped him chase the monster.

God protected him, but not the people in the church? Not to run back to this again, but these kinds of statements are what really raise a lot of disturbing questions.

[austingirl]

God protected him, but not the people in the church? Not to run back to this again, but these kinds of statements are what really raise a lot of disturbing questions.

@jmyrlefuller
You say 'Not to run back to this" and then you do. Please don't.

[Hoodat]

God protected him, but not the people in the church? Not to run back to this again, but these kinds of statements are what really raise a lot of disturbing questions.

The shooter unloaded 15 magazines inside the church.  How many people inside survived?

God is not a micro-manager.  Perhaps your expectations are a bit out of whack.  Maybe you should consider finding out who God really is.

[musiclady]

Thanks for all the added information @austingirl

I know there is a Go Fund Me site for the man who is burying 8 members of his family (including his pregnant wife).
 
He needs extra prayer from all of us that God would comfort him.

His pain must be unbearable....

[ConstitutionRose]

Of course, I wouldn't object to it but I'd hate nonetheless, to see metal detectors in a house of worship.

I guess, Jews "might" have had to deal with this for some time though, if I may say that. They've probably had to face this as a threat at least. One could see how they handle this. We lived near such a temple but our town was pretty quiet. One wouldn't think about this. Perhaps this is mainly an issue in Israel and some large US cities, perhaps.

In my town both the Sanctuary and the Temple have 24/7 armed security plus additional armed personnel inside during services.  Discretely armed.  The school has large grounds with multiple perimeters where beautiful shrubs and plantings hide the fences (mostly), sensors between fences, security gates both manned and the road winds and twists thru multiple gates before it reaches the buildings.

Pretty sad that this has to be so in the US.

[mystery-ak]

Survivors of Texas church massacre say gunman shot babies at point-blank range
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/survivors-of-texas-church-massacre-say-gunman-shot-babies-at-point-blank-range/article/2639892

[Restored]

It's important for us to remember that Jesus said that Satan was the ruler of this world. When evil happens, it's not because God is absent but because Satan is the ruler here. For we Christians, Satan can kill the body but not the spirit.

The instances  in the Bible where God made His presence known are few and far between. Sometimes, those instances weren't very pleasant. The murals in the nursery show the animals getting into the ark, not the people drowning.

[NavyCanDo]

@TomSea

Our main Catholic Priest was an Army sniper - I have to believe he has a weapon under his robe.  Our other Priest was a marine - I have to believe he has a weapon under his robe.  I have to believe they are protecting Christ's people.

The pastor of my last church was an Army Ranger, and his Ranger stories would often be inserted into a sermon. One story happened shortly after leaving the Army and becoming  a Pastor. He was riding a bus in downtown Seattle where he confronted a very belligerent man who was harassing and trying to pick a fight with other passengers.    After telling the guy to sit down and leave the passengers alone, the guy turned on him and said, “who the hell are you?”   He responded, “ I’m a Pastor or an Army Ranger, which one do you want me to be?”    The guy sat down and kept quite the rest of the trip.

In my current church – not a mega-church but still rather large, you bet some people carry. We even have off duty police who attend as well as a Seahawk or two during training camp.

[Applewood]

I said before it's too bad Kelley didn't receive any treatment for his mental health problems.  Well, apparently, he was confined to a mental health facility, but he escaped. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/07/as-texas-town-mourns-details-emerge-on-gunmans-methodical-tactics-in-church-massacre/?utm_term=.5dccca804b69

[NavyCanDo]

God protected him, but not the people in the church? Not to run back to this again, but these kinds of statements are what really raise a lot of disturbing questions.

God protected David when he fought Goliath, but how many Israelites died, were maimed or were taken captive by the Philistines before this epic story?   As Christians we do not have a blanket of protection over us keeping our mortal selves from harm. That blanket was removed in the Garden. Our "mortal bodies" are subject to all the same pains woes and trials of living in a fallen world as non-believers. That is humility. And Jesus was a prime example of what humility is.

Now is anyone wrong in saying God protected the good guy with a Gun?  Well I don't think God is up there in Heaven writing the script on how this event unfolded and ended, but we are told to Give thanks in all things and we should Thank God for this man being where he was and stopping this guy. Who knows, he may had had plans to stop at another church and kill more.   

[Suppressed]

It's important for us to remember that Jesus said that Satan was the ruler of this world. When evil happens, it's not because God is absent but because Satan is the ruler here.

That wasn't a very nice arrangement for God to set up.

[truth_seeker]

@jmyrlefuller
You say 'Not to run back to this" and then you do. Please don't.

The basic question of why does God allow evil, is pertinent dozens or hundreds of times, daily.

Drunk driving
Drug overdose
Wife beating
Child beating
Homicide
Assault and battery

....and for me, the answer is that God doesn't generally micromanage his spinning mudball, all that much on a daily basis.

[austingirl]

I said before it's too bad Kelley didn't receive any treatment for his mental health problems.  Well, apparently, he was confined to a mental health facility, but he escaped. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/07/as-texas-town-mourns-details-emerge-on-gunmans-methodical-tactics-in-church-massacre/?utm_term=.5dccca804b69

I put up a new thread with the link from KSAT about the new info on his time at Holloman. Very disturbing that he was not known to authorities after death threats to military superiors, escape, sneaking guns onto the base. Horrible.

[AllThatJazzZ]

@jmyrlefuller
You say 'Not to run back to this" and then you do. Please don't.

@austingirl

That's because trolling has worked for him on this thread. Just one example, reply 492. @mystery-ak gave him the go-ahead to start a religious thread regarding this event, but the hijack continues on this one. It's a PIA to filter through all the religious discussion when you're trying to get info on the actual incident. These folks obviously have a lot more time on their hands than I do.

Maybe a different thread should be started for reporting facts of the shooting and leave this one to the religious discussion. I don't really know. I'm just looking for ways to keep from having to slog through off-topic stuff to follow pertinent info.

[austingirl]

@austingirl

That's because trolling has worked for him on this thread. Just one example, reply 492. @mystery-ak gave him the go-ahead to start a religious thread regarding this event, but the hijack continues on this one. It's a PIA to filter through all the religious discussion when you're trying to get info on the actual incident. These folks obviously have a lot more time on their hands than I do.

Maybe a different thread should be started for reporting facts of the shooting and leave this one to the religious discussion. I don't really know. I'm just looking for ways to keep from having to slog through off-topic stuff to follow pertinent info.

Here some news about the shooter:

Officials in Comal County say the suspect in the Sutherland Springs church shooting was involved in an alleged sexual assault four years ago. Link on the thread about his escape from a mental health facility in 2012.

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That wasn't a very nice arrangement for God to set up.

When you get to be God, you can set up a different one.
Man wanted Free Will which set up the current system. And we love Free Will. We love sin so much, we pretend we aren't doing it. We think our sin of Self-Righteousness is a spiritual gift. But if the idea of Satan having dominion bothers you, there is a way to avoid his dominion over you.
Imagine if your child said to you "I will do anything and everything humanly possible to avoid being with you". That's pretty much how we treat God when it comes to dying and going to Heaven.

[Restored]

Maybe a different thread should be started for reporting facts of the shooting and leave this one to the religious discussion. I don't really know. I'm just looking for ways to keep from having to slog through off-topic stuff to follow pertinent info.

Is that you, Lucianne?   

Each new breaking news item should be its own thread.

[Hoodat]

Cell phone locked and can't get in yet -won't identify phone. 136 Texas Rangers working the evidence-well trained in crime scene analysis.

If it's Apple, then the Texas Rangers can consult the Chinese government since Apple had no problem providing them the encryption code as part of the deal to sell I-phones in the PRC.

[corbe]

Here some news about the shooter:

Officials in Comal County say the suspect in the Sutherland Springs church shooting was involved in an alleged sexual assault four years ago. Link on the thread about his escape from a mental health facility in 2012.

   That is not being reported Locally at all, thanks for the update @austingirl