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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #300 on: November 06, 2017, 04:01:18 pm »
Thing is, he allegedly was shot at by the bystander.  Unless there was only one shot, how would the sheriff know which shot killed this guy without an autopsy?  Or is the sheriff saying no one actually shot Kelley before he took off?
Apparently he was shot by the bystander. Not every wound is fatal, and even a fatal wound may take time to be that way. If there was a second shot which was an immediately lethal wound (like a head shot), he would have had to administer it himself, depending on the angle of the wound. The sheriff might be fully capable of determining this. 
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« Reply #301 on: November 06, 2017, 04:04:13 pm »
Apparently he was shot by the bystander. Not every wound is fatal, and even a fatal wound may take time to be that way. If there was a second shot which was an immediately lethal wound (like a head shot), he would have had to administer it himself, depending on the angle of the wound. The sheriff might be fully capable of determining this.

They seem to be quite certain that the self-inflicted wound is what killed him, so it was probably obvious.

But as far as I'm concerned the good neighbor shooter gets all the credit for the fact that this monster is dead.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #302 on: November 06, 2017, 04:06:29 pm »
Where do you get that "fact," @goatprairie?  Did I miss it on the thread?

'SHE'S A BAD B***H' Texas church shooting – Facebook rants of ‘creepy’ gunman Devin Kelley, 26, who preached atheism before killing 26 churchgoers
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4851812/texas-church-shooting-boy-family-murdered-devin-kelley-2/

Ex-friends say shooter was ‘creepy’ atheist who berated religious people
http://nypost.com/2017/11/06/ex-friends-say-shooter-was-creepy-atheist-who-berated-religious-people/

EXCLUSIVE: 'Creepy, crazy and weird': Former classmates say Texas gunman was an 'outcast' who 'preached his atheism' online before killing 26 in the state’s worst ever mass shooting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html#ixzz4xfCL8Y6I
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #303 on: November 06, 2017, 04:11:06 pm »
Ex wife. Would assume the child is with the mom. If he thought they would be in church that day, what monster would murder his baby?
The same kind that would get booted from the military for beating his wife and baby.

The same kind that would shoot 26 innocent people sitting in church. That kind of monster.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #304 on: November 06, 2017, 04:16:46 pm »
They seem to be quite certain that the self-inflicted wound is what killed him, so it was probably obvious.

But as far as I'm concerned the good neighbor shooter gets all the credit for the fact that this monster is dead.

I'd agree with that.  Even if the neighbor's shot wasn't fatal, it slowed the perp down a bit.  Kelley was either going to be captured or he was going to take himself out.  I don't see any other alternatives at that point.

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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #305 on: November 06, 2017, 04:18:08 pm »
Just in case, someone brings up atheists, they don't reproduce, at least not like Christians and Muslims, that is what studies have said for those who want to speak negatively of Christianity. We'd all be bowing to Mecca without it. Think about it.  Off-topic but it seems necessary to say per some views.

Heck, talk of tragedies, the early Christians were fed to lions. How ghastly can that be?
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #306 on: November 06, 2017, 04:29:47 pm »
Just in case, someone brings up atheists, they don't reproduce, at least not like Christians and Muslims, that is what studies have said for those who want to speak negatively of Christianity. We'd all be bowing to Mecca without it. Think about it.  Off-topic but it seems necessary to say per some views.

Heck, talk of tragedies, the early Christians were fed to lions. How ghastly can that be?

We are told by the Left that Hate Speech leads to violence. He preached Hate Speech against Christians and then acted on that Hate. This is a classic example of what the Lefts says will happen....except it is an inconvenient example for them.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #307 on: November 06, 2017, 04:30:14 pm »
They seem to be quite certain that the self-inflicted wound is what killed him, so it was probably obvious.

But as far as I'm concerned the good neighbor shooter gets all the credit for the fact that this monster is dead.
Yep. No doubt being shot at (and shot) cut the rampage short. Who knows what would have happened if the guy hadn't been interrupted.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #308 on: November 06, 2017, 04:33:02 pm »
Just in case, someone brings up atheists, they don't reproduce, at least not like Christians and Muslims, that is what studies have said for those who want to speak negatively of Christianity. We'd all be bowing to Mecca without it. Think about it.  Off-topic but it seems necessary to say per some views.

Heck, talk of tragedies, the early Christians were fed to lions. How ghastly can that be?

I would imagine that most Atheists remain in the 'closet'.  They don't volunteer their opinion, but rather observe to their 'amusement'.

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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #309 on: November 06, 2017, 04:33:13 pm »
Presser on now. Shooter autopsy in Travis County will show cause and manner of death, not sure if the shot from the hero neighbor or self-inflicted shot killed him. He sent threatening texts- domestic situation. Ex-mother-in-law received threats.

ATF said he should not have been allowed to purchase guns. 3 recovered -Ruger rifle, Glock 9 mm and another I didn't get.
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« Reply #310 on: November 06, 2017, 04:35:23 pm »
There is video from inside church that authorities have.

Perp seen at Valero he wore a black mask with white skull face on it- put on later, not wearing at Valero but he drew attention from the way he was dressed..
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« Reply #311 on: November 06, 2017, 04:37:53 pm »
Yep. No doubt being shot at (and shot) cut the rampage short. Who knows what would have happened if the guy hadn't been interrupted.

Most sources say the POS dropped his gun when he was fired at.

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« Reply #312 on: November 06, 2017, 04:39:05 pm »
Closing presser with a prayer. God bless this small shattered community.
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« Reply #313 on: November 06, 2017, 04:41:00 pm »
Ten injured in critical condition. Six have been treated and released.

I was Texas proud regarding the two heroes that stopped this cretin from harming more people.
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« Reply #314 on: November 06, 2017, 04:41:41 pm »
He was a rabid atheist. Hated church folk. Thought they were stupid.

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I'm not denying that, but I'm confused as to where the source of the claim is.  Was that something he wrote on FB or what?
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« Reply #315 on: November 06, 2017, 04:42:00 pm »
Most sources say the POS dropped his gun when he was fired at.

POS called his father while fleeing saying he's been shot and might not make it. No, he wasn't going to make it because of the two heroes.
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« Reply #316 on: November 06, 2017, 04:43:26 pm »
One child died at hospital. Three more in hospital.

Bought 4 guns in last 4 years- 2 in Colorado and 2 in Texas
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« Reply #317 on: November 06, 2017, 04:43:50 pm »
Possible motive coming out of the presser is to kill his former mil who he had threatened numerous times.

They are still trying to figure out how he was able to purchase weapons in Texas and Colorado after serving time for domestic violence and given an Dishonable discharge from the USAF
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« Reply #318 on: November 06, 2017, 04:44:36 pm »
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I'm not denying that, but I'm confused as to where the source of the claim is.  Was that something he wrote on FB or what?

There have been reports that he liked atheism on FB and talked about stupid religious people.
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« Reply #319 on: November 06, 2017, 04:45:43 pm »
Possible motive coming out of the presser is to kill his former mil who he had threatened numerous times.

They are still trying to figure out how he was able to purchase weapons in Texas and Colorado after serving time for domestic violence and given an Dishonable discharge from the USAF

You can purchase anything if you have the money; which is why gun control laws are so laughable. They don't stop someone with criminal intent.

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« Reply #320 on: November 06, 2017, 04:46:09 pm »
Wearing the black mask with white skull face is creepy.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #321 on: November 06, 2017, 04:48:19 pm »
Most sources say the POS dropped his gun when he was fired at.

Sources I read say he dropped the rifle and switched to pistol at that point.
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« Reply #322 on: November 06, 2017, 04:50:42 pm »
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #323 on: November 06, 2017, 04:53:09 pm »
Kelley was once a member of the US Air Force, spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said. He served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, starting in 2010.

Kelley was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Stefanek said. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for 12 months and a reduction in rank, she said. The Air Force did not provide a date of the discharge.

Kelley is accused of killing 26 people, including the 14-year-old daughter of the church's pastor, and injuring more.

A man who lives next door to the church grabbed his own gun and approached Kelley as he was leaving after the shooting. The gunman dropped a rifle in front of the church and fled in his car, officials said.

Kelley was found dead in his car from a gunshot wound about eight miles from the church, according to a law enforcement official. It's not clear if he shot himself or if the neighbor shot him.

Kelley purchased the Ruger AR-556 rifle in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio.

When Kelley filled out the background check paperwork at the store, he checked the box to indicate he didn't have disqualifying criminal history, the official said. He listed an address in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he bought the rifle, the official said.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #324 on: November 06, 2017, 04:54:16 pm »
 Kelley served in the Air Force from 2010 until 2014 and worked in the logistics readiness department at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.

He was court-martialed in 2012 on charges of assault on his spouse and on their child. He received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for 12 months and a reduction of his military status.

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