'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas

[TomSea]

I'll bet he's a loner-type.

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Additional comment, even with these tragedies, America's murder rate has been coming down. I'm not sure how to put that in perspective.

Though, 2016 saw a spike in the rate, 2017 may be the same. The general trend nevertheless, is downward. We get caught up in these kinds of stories which we probably should.

[Smokin Joe]

Story says the former inlaws of suspect attended church from time to time. See 7:45.



https://apnews.com/149034eeb9f847749f2b8b6148b193da/Sheriff-says-gunman's-ex-in-laws-sometimes-attended-services

Motive?

I was thinking along the same lines. Apparently his (ex) wife still lives in the community.

[Bigun]

I was thinking along the same lines. Apparently his (ex) wife still lives in the community.

Ex-Wife and her mother is what I'm hearing.

[Smokin Joe]

Ex-Wife and her mother is what I'm hearing.

He might have been hoping to catch them in church. I wonder if his alleged atheism and maybe her church attendance were a factor?

[Gefn]

Ex-Wife and her mother is what I'm hearing.

Ex wife. Would assume the child is with the mom. If he thought they would be in church that day, what monster would murder his baby?

[Bigun]

He might have been hoping to catch them in church. I wonder if his alleged atheism and maybe her church attendance were a factor?

I would say it had to have been a factor at some point but I know nothing for sure.

[mystery-ak]

HERO Describes Chasing Down Texas Church Shooter
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/06/watch-hero-describes-chasing-down-texas-church-shooter/

[Smokin Joe]

Ex wife. Would assume the child is with the mom. If he thought they would be in church that day, what monster would murder his baby?

What monster would cut loose on a congregation? That boy wasn't wired right.

[AllThatJazzZ]

What monster would cut loose on a congregation? That boy wasn't wired right.

He was a rabid atheist. Hated church folk. Thought they were stupid.

[Hoodat]

What monster would cut loose on a congregation?

Smackwater Jack?

[mystery-ak]

'Ryland is the only one left': Boy, 5, is found clinging to life among the pews
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053675/Family-loses-three-members-Texas-church-massacre.html

[Suppressed]

https://www.snopes.com/texas-church-shooter-antifa/

In case people don't want to click...

CLAIM
The perpetrator of the Sutherland Springs shooting carried an Antifa flag and told churchgoers “this is a communist revolution.”

RATING

  ^FALSE

[Sanguine]

Perhaps

But I haven't seen any proof as of now he was ANTIFA

Agreed. 

[skeeter]

In case people don't want to click...

Snopes is great at refuting claims no one has made.

They could have just as easily 'fact checked' the rumor that this creep was a rabid atheist. TRUE

[Bigun]

The man who faced of with the shooter and shot him.



Stephen Willeford

[edpc]

He was a rabid atheist. Hated church folk. Thought they were stupid.

Well – he has his answer now.  In his last moments, he either found himself fading into an infinite, cold void or facing judgment.  Either way, good riddance.

[Ghost Bear]

In case people don't want to click...

    CLAIM
    The perpetrator of the Sutherland Springs shooting carried an Antifa flag and told churchgoers “this is a communist revolution.”

    RATING

      FALSE

Notice the specificity of what Snopes is claiming to be "False". They're not saying he wasn't an Antifa sympathizer or member, they're saying he didn't carry an Antifa flag, and tell churchgoers "this is a communist revolution."  Who would even know what he told churchgoers, except the people who were there, and so far no public comment has been made by any of them.

This "False" claim is useless, because it doesn't address whether the killer was an atheist, or a member/sympathizer of Antifa. 

[TomSea]

Authorities believe 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley shot himself inside his vehicle, Tackitt said.
http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-church-shooters-cause-death-how-did-devin-kelley-die-2610938

[austingirl]

Story says the former inlaws of suspect attended church from time to time. See 7:45.



https://apnews.com/149034eeb9f847749f2b8b6148b193da/Sheriff-says-gunman's-ex-in-laws-sometimes-attended-services

Motive?

I posted last night that his wife was from Sutherland Springs.

[Suppressed]

Whether the guy was a real Antifa member or not, the fact remains he was an atheist who slaughtered Christians. The leftists won't be able to get around that.

Where do you get that "fact," @goatprairie?  Did I miss it on the thread?

[Smokin Joe]

I posted last night that his wife was from Sutherland Springs.

I think that @Freya was making the point that he may have been looking for them at church. It may also be that he somehow blamed any religious incompatibility between the ex and himself, possibly a factor in the divorce, on the church and sought to take his anger out there. It is speculation, but at least grounded in what appear to be facts: He was (past tense) married, his past includes domestic violence, his ex and her folks attended church there, his ex and her folks lived there.

[TomSea]

Where do you get that "fact," @goatprairie?  Did I miss it on the thread?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5053013/Devin-Kelley-outcast-preached-atheism.html

http://drudgereport.com/

I'll just post links, it's up at drudge now (no, it doesn't mean it is true because it's there), still, there are millions of atheists so....

I think this guy might have been some sort of drug user and it messed his mind up, again, what this guy fits is that most (not all like Paddock) most of these mass shooters are 18-24 I'd say, Kelley was 26 years old, so a bit over that age limit but close.

And as said, there might be a domestic situation here, ex-wife, something like that.

@Suppressed

[skeeter]

Where do you get that "fact," @goatprairie?  Did I miss it on the thread?

That he was an atheist? There's testimony to that fact all over the media today.

[Applewood]

Authorities believe 26-year-old Devin Patrick Kelley shot himself inside his vehicle, Tackitt said.
http://www.ibtimes.com/texas-church-shooters-cause-death-how-did-devin-kelley-die-2610938

Thing is, he allegedly was shot at by the bystander.  Unless there was only one shot, how would the sheriff know which shot killed this guy without an autopsy?  Or is the sheriff saying no one actually shot Kelley before he took off?

[ABX]

In case people don't want to click...

The problem with this is the claim he was an ANTIFA member and made statements about starting a Civil War came from 4Chan. If you read 'according to 4Chan' stop right there. They are trolls. Everytime something like this happens, they create fake screesnshots, fake profiles, and make a game out of trolling and seeing how far they can pass along fake stories. All the claims he was Antifa seem to trace back to this 4Chan claim, even though the screenshots with the Antifa flag they posted are different than the other screenshots from his real profile other media posted (the ones with the gun).  Unfortunately, this has been repeated so many times, it has become 'common knowledge'

I wish people would realize that if it comes from 4Chan, it is less reliable than if it came from Alex Jones channeling David Icke channeling John Titor writing for The Onion.