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Offline ABX

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Former President George W. Bush has never been one to criticize another president, either predecessor or successor, but he is in the news today for making some worthy remarks about bigotry that some believe were specifically targeted toward the current president.

Whether they are or not is pretty much besides the point. What he said is true, and it matters:.....

https://aleteia.org/blogs/the-anchoress/george-w-bush-is-owed-many-apologies-by-pundits-and-pols-and-you-and-me/



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Truth is in the eye of the beholder. She gave him a complete pass on being a consummate lame duck his last two years in office.
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This is a Catholic source, modern Catholicism and Pope Francis have been extremely lenient, even liberal on illegal immigration. That pretty much is the tale of the tape here.

That said, this woman Scalia does appear to be generally conservative in what I read about her.

Here they take her to task:

http://www.lepantoinstitute.org/faith-and-life/elizabeth-scalia-vs-st-thomas-aquinas/

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Bush did do some things well on the "social conservative front", Relevant Radio liked him.

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Whether they are or not [remarks on bigotry directed at Pres. Trump] is pretty much besides the point. What he said is true, and it matters:


Like hell it's "besides [sic] the point".
« Last Edit: October 23, 2017, 02:41:40 pm by DCPatriot »
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I have long defended President Bush because I always believed, and still do, that he is an innately good man, and a courageous one, too, and also for the simple reason that so few would defend him.

Nice guy, yes.  But good president?  Hardly.

No Child Left Behind... a terrible legacy left behind.
Campaign Finance Reform... fundamentally found unconstitutional by SCOTUS (thank goodness)
Medicare Prescription Drugs... popular with seniors, but bankrupting the country, and expanded fiscal problems exponentially
Patriot Act... worst case of federal overreach in domestic security in my lifetime.  The TSA legacy lingers still today.
Iraq War... total disaster. We spent $1 trillion to create a client state for Iran.
Deficits, deficits, deficits
Expanded the "ownership society" with federal guarantees of home mortgages, which de facto collapsed the financial system

I do think GWB had a good heart, but his policies were short-sighted and will be paid for by generations of Americans for still more years to come.  Clinton was a more conservative POTUS.  Now looking at the ballooning deficits predicted under Trump, I worry that GOP-controlled government will once again fail to rein in spending, even as the tax burden is lowered, which ultimately taxes people in a different way, albeit one that saves politicians from direct blame (inflation, stagnation, depression, etc.).


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I have long defended President Bush because I always believed, and still do, that he is an innately good man, and a courageous one, too, and also for the simple reason that so few would defend him.

Nice guy, yes.  But good president?  Hardly.

No Child Left Behind... a terrible legacy left behind.
Campaign Finance Reform... fundamentally found unconstitutional by SCOTUS (thank goodness)
Medicare Prescription Drugs... popular with seniors, but bankrupting the country, and expanded fiscal problems exponentially
Patriot Act... worst case of federal overreach in domestic security in my lifetime.  The TSA legacy lingers still today.
Iraq War... total disaster. We spent $1 trillion to create a client state for Iran.
Deficits, deficits, deficits
Expanded the "ownership society" with federal guarantees of home mortgages, which de facto collapsed the financial system

I do think GWB had a good heart, but his policies were short-sighted and will be paid for by generations of Americans for still more years to come.  Clinton was a more conservative POTUS.  Now looking at the ballooning deficits predicted under Trump, I worry that GOP-controlled government will once again fail to rein in spending, even as the tax burden is lowered, which ultimately taxes people in a different way, albeit one that saves politicians from direct blame (inflation, stagnation, depression, etc.).

TARP.

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This woman is a delusional idiot. She probably is repressed and enjoys getting molested and short of raped going through Bush's TSA flying to Toledo.

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TARP.

Agreeing to Paulson's bank bailout, where Wall Street firms got $700 billion of free money, and Main Street got the bill.
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About the article........

It's good to see that at least one person understands that his comments about bigotry were not about Trump, but about his core values and what America really is.

And she is right that it is 'cool' to hate George W. (I've never had the slightest interest in being either with the majority, or the "in" crowd.....)

I agree that he did a lot of things wrong, but hating him is irrational.

And as I said on another thread about his speech (which, again, was NOT about Trump), I thank God daily that Bush was President, and not algor on 9/11, and as a believer, I do NOT think that was an accident.

Now I shall don my flak jacket......
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George W. Bush is owed many apologies, by pundits, and pols, and you, and me

This is exactly backwards. 

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Patriot Act... worst case of federal overreach in domestic security in my lifetime.  The TSA legacy lingers still today.



The one we didn't get: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_TIPS



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I should apologise for this? (The subject, not the book, which is imperative reading . . . )



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