Trump threatens to target licenses of 'NBC and the Networks' after nuclear arsenal report

[DiogenesLamp]

You'all aren’t alone.  As a conservative, I just can’t imagine desiring the Federal Government to enforce media content, and I still can’t believe that other conservatives do.

Here we go again.   Stop putting your words in our mouths and then claiming we said them.  Exactly 0 people have suggested that we should allow the Federal Government to control content.   To whom do you refer as "I still can't believe that other conservatives do." ? 

[DiogenesLamp]

I did and you seem to have skipped right over it.

I just looked through four pages of your messages and I didn't see it.  I assume your suggestion is older than that,  and I must have missed it.   


If you could reiterate any ideas on how to deal with this problem,  I would like to hear them.   

[Bigun]

I did and you seem to have skipped right over it.

I did as well and only one person responded.

[DiogenesLamp]

You would rather cut the tree of Liberty down to its very roots with the ax that brings fascism as long as it is your brand of fascism, rather than see the slippery slope you are one.

Because the tree of Liberty is doing just fine right now, isn't it?   Obama was an aberration,  and anyone could have beaten Hillary. 

So you call "fighting back"  "fascism"?   What isn't fascism?  Lying on your side curled up in a fetal position while they elect more socialists?   


Are you just dense?   

You worry more about imaginary future despotism while you meekly accept the real thing creeping into our lives right now.   


Trump is a temporary pause in the march towards real fascism,  and accepting the status quo is going to get us there faster than fighting back.   

[Concerned]

Here we go again.   Stop putting your words in our mouths and then claiming we said them.  Exactly 0 people have suggested that we should allow the Federal Government to control content.   To whom do you refer as "I still can't believe that other conservatives do." ?

Well, throughout this entire thread there's been plenty of discussion around the President's threat to revoke licenses of NBC over what he asserts is "fake news".  Several in this thread have indicated some level of support for that.  I'm against it.  This seems clear enough. 

I'm not going to get into a protracted debate with you about semantics.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Exactly. In all other things we want the ability only to compete in a fair marketplace. So, let's compete. Our ideas are better, and our stories can be just as tear-jerking or euphoric as anything the left produces, only based on sound and moral principles.

The problem with established monopolies is that they stop competition.   Suppose you were a multi millionaire with talent and you could afford to make a wonderful conservative sitcom.  How would you get it on the air?   

How would you reach the people?  How many billions would it take to build a network capable of reaching as many people as do the other networks? 


Remember when Glenn Beck tried to buy a satellite channel?   Rather than sell it to him, I think they sold it to al Jazera. 


How do you break a monopoly that is intent on keeping you out of business?   

[Bigun]

I will say this.  If the oil industry were consolidated to the point the broadcast media currently is the trust busters would be out in full force!

[DiogenesLamp]

Well, throughout this entire thread there's been plenty of discussion around the President's threat to revoke licenses of NBC over what he asserts is "fake news". 

Sounds reasonable to me.  They are in fact in violation of the terms of their licenses by constantly broadcasting blatant propaganda.   What the Federal Government giveth,  the Federal Government can taketh away.   


They can always go back to the "press".   

[RoosGirl]

Sounds reasonable to me.  They are in fact in violation of the terms of their licenses by constantly broadcasting blatant propaganda.   What the Federal Government giveth,  the Federal Government can taketh away.   


They can always go back to the "press".

I know I pointed this out 50 years ago when this thread started, but the story that Trump is railing about per this article actually is true.

[Concerned]

I know I pointed this out 50 years ago when this thread started, but the story that Trump is railing about per this article actually is true.

   And here we go again.   

[Cyber Liberty]

Exactly 0 people have suggested that we should allow the Federal Government to control content.   

LOL.  Exactly ONE person has been demanding Government control of content.

[RoosGirl]

  And here we go again.   

Maybe 700 posts later someone will listen to me.   

[DiogenesLamp]

I know I pointed this out 50 years ago when this thread started, but the story that Trump is railing about per this article actually is true.

Funny,  several days ago I read an article that said it was in fact false,   and it included comments from someone who should know.  General Kelly,  I think.   

I'll see if I can find it. 

[DiogenesLamp]

LOL.  Exactly ONE person has been demanding Government control of content.

And who is that?  I must have missed it. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Maybe 700 posts later someone will listen to me.   

You'll have to do a better job.  This is a competitive market. 

[RoosGirl]

Funny,  several days ago I read an article that said it was in fact false,   and it included comments from someone who should know.  General Kelly,  I think.   

I'll see if I can find it.

Look at the beginning of this thread.  I posted a link to an interview Trump did (with Reuters I think?) and basically said what he said he didn't say.

[RoosGirl]

You'll have to do a better job.  This is a competitive market.

You can lead a horse...

[Bigun]

Here's a perfect example! 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/07/media-fails-in-coverage-of-sen-menendez-corruption-trial/?utm_source=site-share

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

The problem with established monopolies is that they stop competition.   Suppose you were a multi millionaire with talent and you could afford to make a wonderful conservative sitcom.  How would you get it on the air?   

How would you reach the people?  How many billions would it take to build a network capable of reaching as many people as do the other networks? 


Remember when Glenn Beck tried to buy a satellite channel?   Rather than sell it to him, I think they sold it to al Jazera. 


How do you break a monopoly that is intent on keeping you out of business?

Media is not a monopoly, not matter how many times you say it.

A monopoly has:

1) A single entity with control of most of or all of the market.  The fact that the many, many different entities who own/run these businesses have similar political views does not qualify here.

2) Significant barriers to entry.  There are hundreds of networks, and nothing stopping folks from creating their own.  There's Youtube, you can create your own web page.  Printing is easy enough.  Outside MAYBE broadcast, since there is a limited number of frequencies (and broadcast is harder to argue now that analog is dead), media does not present significant barriers to entry.

[aligncare]

Here's a perfect example! 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/07/media-fails-in-coverage-of-sen-menendez-corruption-trial/?utm_source=site-share

Prime example of the power of media to ignore. What Menendez trial?

[DiogenesLamp]

Look at the beginning of this thread.  I posted a link to an interview Trump did (with Reuters I think?) and basically said what he said he didn't say.

I looked at the article you posted.  No where did I see anything suggesting Trump wanted our nuclear arsenal to be 10 times bigger than it is.   

I even did a word search on the article for "10"  and also for "ten".  "10" comes up once as in "10 years",  and "ten"  doesn't come up at all. 



In other words,  he didn't say what NBC claimed he said.  

It appears NBC fabricated that claim. 

I'm also not actually sure how you can claim the NBC article is proved by the reuters article.  It would seem to in fact prove the exact opposite.   

[RoosGirl]

I looked at the article you posted.  No where did I see anything suggesting Trump wanted our nuclear arsenal to be 10 times bigger than it is.   

I even did a word search on the article for "10"  and also for "ten".  "10" comes up once as in "10 years",  and "ten"  doesn't come up at all. 



In other words,  he didn't say what NBC claimed he said.  

It appears NBC fabricated that claim. 

I'm also not actually sure how you can claim the NBC article is proved by the reuters article.  It would seem to in fact prove the exact opposite.

I thought I made it clear when I posted it before that he didn't say the "ten times", but said that it should be increased.

[DiogenesLamp]

Media is not a monopoly, not matter how many times you say it.

A monopoly has:

1) A single entity with control of most of or all of the market.  The fact that the many, many different entities who own/run these businesses have similar political views does not qualify here.

So you we are going to split hairs on the definition are we?   Does Oligarchy sound better to you?  I don't really care what you call it,  it is an enemy force, and it needs to be stopped. 

"Monopoly" is simple,  easy to understand,  and gets the point across. 

2) Significant barriers to entry.  There are hundreds of networks, and nothing stopping folks from creating their own. 

Billions of dollars is a pretty big "nothing".  Just stop it.  It is irrational to believe some investment "angel"  is going to come up with 100 billion dollars to build a competing infrastructure. 


Just stop it. 

There's Youtube,

You are making my case for me.  Youtube has become heavily censored and conservative videos have been demonitized and even removed. 

you can create your own web page.

We are going to slay the Goliaths of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and FOX with a web page?  That's just asinine. 

  Printing is easy enough.

And too pointless to be mentioned.  Even the regular print newspapers are dying,  and they don't reach anything like George Stephanopolis. 

  Outside MAYBE broadcast, since there is a limited number of frequencies (and broadcast is harder to argue now that analog is dead), media does not present significant barriers to entry.

Sure,  just loan me 100 billion and we'll fix this problem.   That's obviously no barrier to entry,  is it?   

[DiogenesLamp]

Prime example of the power of media to ignore. What Menendez trial?

What Hillary/Russia/Uranium/kickback/Sent Spies back to Russia before FBI could question them?/Clinton Foundation scandal?   

What Hollywood pedophile scandal?   

Obviously it is beneficial to the nation to allow left wing censorship in media to prevent the public from knowing about these things.   


Heaven forbid,  if we try to do anything to stop it,  why we might get *CENSORSHIP* or something!   

[DiogenesLamp]

I thought I made it clear when I posted it before that he didn't say the "ten times", but said that it should be increased.

Well I think that is a significant difference.  In fact,  an order of magnitude difference.  "10 times"  sounds like an insane lunatic.   "Increased"  sounds reasonable.   

NBC's effort was to portray him as a lunatic,  and they badly distorted the truth to create that appearance.   

Why would you want to go along with this portrayal of him?  Do you hate him that much that you would cast aside objectivity?