Would North Korea Use Old World War II Tanks to Fight America in a War?

[DemolitionMan]

TNI Staff

While the T-34/85 medium tank might be have been instrumental in the Soviet Union’s victory over Nazi Germany’s Wehrmacht in World War Two, the vintage war machine is probably still in service in North Korea.

The Soviet Union delivered some 250 T-34/85s to the nascent Democratic People’s Republic of Korea before March 1950. The Soviets delivered more of the tanks later over the course of the Korean War. The North Koreans lost many T-34/85s during the war as it became very apparently that the American M26 Pershing, M46 Patton and the British Centurion grossly outclassed the long-serving Soviet-built tank.It not clear how many of the antiquated T-34/85 tanks are still in service with the Korean People’s Army, but some of the machines were spotted in North Korean propaganda videos as late as 2012. There were some 250 of the vintage T-34/85 tanks in the North Korean inventory as of 1996 according to some sources, but it is not clear how many of those machines are still in service. North Korea has been isolated for much of the preceding 25-years under various sanctions and embargos, so it is possible a significant portion of those tanks are still in the KPA inventory. Forces such as the KPA rarely throw away hardware no matter how obsolete.
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/would-north-korea-use-old-world-war-ii-tanks-fight-america-22646

[Smokin Joe]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army_Ground_Force

The T-34s are supposed to be retired. That said they were capable tanks for their day.

[DemolitionMan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_People%27s_Army_Ground_Force

The T-34s are supposed to be retired. That said they were capable tanks for their day.

There are few in service today.As of 2015, the only countries confirmed to use the T-34 in active service are Mali, Somalia, Syria, Yemen, and North Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34

[KingsX]

NK threatened to use an EMP weapon.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/05/millions-american-lives-could-be-at-stake-as-north-korea-threatens-to-attack-power-grid.html

[DemolitionMan]

NK threatened to use an EMP weapon.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/09/05/millions-american-lives-could-be-at-stake-as-north-korea-threatens-to-attack-power-grid.html

What does that information part of the topic?

[KingsX]

What does that information part of the topic?

What I posted makes tanks obsolete.

[DemolitionMan]

What I posted makes tanks obsolete.

EMP pretty makes everything that uses electronics obsolete.

[KingsX]

EMP pretty makes everything that uses electronics obsolete.

Maybe WW2 tanks would work after all.

Last May my house was hit by God's EMP weapon, a lightning strike.
Ironically,  my newish washer was fried and I had to buy a new one...
next to it, my 20 year old dryer with older technology still worked.

[DemolitionMan]

Maybe WW2 tanks would work after all.

Last May my house was hit by God's EMP weapon, a lightning strike.
Ironically,  my newish washer was fried and I had to buy a new one...
next to it, my 20 year old dryer with older technology still worked.

I guess we will have to see one in real life when a EMP detonates on top a city during a nuclear attack.

[Smokin Joe]

Maybe WW2 tanks would work after all.

Last May my house was hit by God's EMP weapon, a lightning strike.
Ironically,  my newish washer was fried and I had to buy a new one...
next to it, my 20 year old dryer with older technology still worked.

The wiring and connections in older technology are more robust than the connections in a microchip. Reliance on electromechanical systems may function after an EMP as opposed to strictly electronic (non hardened) systems, depending on the intensity of the pulse at that location. Faraday cages are best yet.

[DemolitionMan]

The wiring and connections in older technology are more robust than the connections in a microchip. Reliance on electromechanical systems may function after an EMP as opposed to strictly electronic (non hardened) systems, depending on the intensity of the pulse at that location. Faraday cages are best yet.

I do agree with you. But how do you know it would work when military equipment in the can't be fired? The tank was not really tested in the 1940s because EMP was little known and the tank was never subjected to a EMP enviorment.The only way to know is take it into battle.

[DB]

Actually, the smaller something is the more immune to EMP it is. It is long wires, cables that pick up the magnetic impulse from an EMP and convert it into electrical energy (the wire acts as an antenna). Power lines, telephone lines, Ethernet cables, etc are what pick up an EMP to the level of damaging what is connected to them. Small hand held electronics are generally much less sensitive to EMP and have to be closer to the source of the EMP to be damaged.

[DemolitionMan]

Actually, the smaller something is the more immune to EMP it is. It is long wires, cables that pick up the magnetic impulse from an EMP and convert it into electrical energy (the wire acts as an antenna). Power lines, telephone lines, Ethernet cables, etc are what pick up an EMP to the level of damaging what is connected to them. Small hand held electronics are generally much less sensitive to EMP and have to be closer to the source of the EMP to be damaged.

Sounds like a good experiment to try out.

[Smokin Joe]

Sounds like a good experiment to try out.

It does. Seems a microscopic connection would be more prone to surge burnout than a 20 gauge wire, but I'm no EE.

[DB]

It does. Seems a microscopic connection would be more prone to surge burnout than a 20 gauge wire, but I'm no EE.

A changing magnetic flux (an EMP for example) induces a current in a conductor. That's how a generator/alternator works. That current produces a voltage differential along the conductor. The shorter the conductor the less voltage differential generated. It requires enough voltage and current differential across the conductor to cause currents to flow where they aren't supposed to to damage the circuit. The voltage required to damage it varies with the type of structure forming the circuit.

It is larger items with longer wires, particularly wires with a larger space between them, that are more likely to be damaged by EMP.

[DemolitionMan]

A changing magnetic flux (an EMP for example) induces a current in a conductor. That's how a generator/alternator works. That current produces a voltage differential along the conductor. The shorter the conductor the less voltage differential generated. It requires enough voltage and current differential across the conductor to cause currents to flow where they aren't supposed to to damage the circuit. The voltage required to damage it varies with the type of structure forming the circuit.

It is larger items with longer wires, particularly wires with a larger space between them, that are more likely to be damaged by EMP.

I was checking my library and I found what I was looking for and looked it up. The United States Air Force routinely tested its B-52s and B-1s on a platform that built to simulate a EMP attack. If you built it on a smalled scale maybe its feasable to simulate one somewhere desolate. What is lacking is generators because the company is out of business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATLAS-I

[Free Vulcan]

L'il Kim seems to be even more grandiose than his predecessors, so I expect scorched earth and the kitchen sink from him in an invasion.

Got up close to a T-34 at the Patton museum a few years ago. Rude and crude but they were effective and could be stamped out one after the other. Target practice for us but throwing them all out there will still do some damage.

What really scares me is what L'il Kim has up his sleeve that his enablers have hidden. His tech seems to be advancing very quickly.

[DemolitionMan]

L'il Kim seems to be even more grandiose than his predecessors, so I expect scorched earth and the kitchen sink from him in an invasion.

Got up close to a T-34 at the Patton museum a few years ago. Rude and crude but they were effective and could be stamped out one after the other. Target practice for us but throwing them all out there will still do some damage.

What really scares me is what L'il Kim has up his sleeve that his enablers have hidden. His tech seems to be advancing very quickly.

I really do not think that he does have any advanced tanks. The most advanced he would have would be a T-72 and that tank did not do so well in the Gulf Wars and against our airplanes.The K1A1 Main Battle Tank,the K2 Black Panther(South Korea) and our M1A1 would just brush them aside.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/would-north-korea-use-old-world-war-ii-tanks-fight-america-22646

[Free Vulcan]

I really do not think that he does have any advanced tanks. The most advanced he would have would be a T-72 and that tank did not do so well in the Gulf Wars and against our airplanes.The K1A1 Main Battle Tank,the K2 Black Panther(South Korea) and our M1A1 would just brush them aside.

His tanks don't bother me. It's obvious though from little snippets here and there that he tech is advancing far faster than he could do on his own. Which makes me worry as to what his enablers have set him up with.

[DemolitionMan]

His tanks don't bother me. It's obvious though from little snippets here and there that he tech is advancing far faster than he could do on his own. Which makes me worry as to what his enables have set him up with.

There was a story on the internet on how a company is gauging North Korea's advancements through his television appearances at military bases. I would have to find that for you.

[DemolitionMan]

There was a story on the internet on how a company is gauging North Korea's advancements through his television appearances at military bases. I would have to find that for you.

Could not find it. I should of bookmarked it.But the cranes and their TEL are similar.