Las Vegas Killer Was Planning to Escape After Mass Shooting

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By Clyde Hughes   |   Thursday, 05 Oct 2017 07:04 AM


   

Las Vegas mass killer Stephen Paddock was planning to escape after his shooting spree, Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo told reporters, citing undisclosed evidence, multiple news sites were reporting Thursday morning.

Paddock, 64, rained a hail of gunfire on 22,000 people attending an outdoor country music festival before killing himself in a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. Including Paddock,who killed himself, 59 died in the carnage.

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[LadyLiberty]

Such hubris to think that he would be able to escape.  Reminds me more of a serial killer, they think they are smarter than everyone else and will never get caught.  I wonder if there are any unsolved murders in the cities where he's lived?

[Applewood]

If this is true, could this explain the arsenal of weapons Paddock had with him?

[NavyCanDo]

The sheriff seemed certain that he planned an ascape. Wonder how he thought he could do that?

[Suppressed]

If this is true, could this explain the arsenal of weapons Paddock had with him?

Sure...toting a dozen guns, he would have been able to slip right past the net closing around him.

[Fishrrman]

This seems like nothing more than off-the-wall speculation.

If the guy was rational enough to have planned and executed what he did, he must also have been rational enough to know that he almost certainly would not get out of that room alive (unless he surrendered to the police).

After the security guard made it to the door, and after Paddock shot through the door, he stopped firing at the crowd. He must have realized then that the game was up, and he had essentially two options left. He chose the "final" one.

[Smokin Joe]

This seems like nothing more than off-the-wall speculation.

If the guy was rational enough to have planned and executed what he did, he must also have been rational enough to know that he almost certainly would not get out of that room alive (unless he surrendered to the police).

After the security guard made it to the door, and after Paddock shot through the door, he stopped firing at the crowd. He must have realized then that the game was up, and he had essentially two options left. He chose the "final" one.

I believe he was counting on confusion, bad acoustics, and distance (as well as cover of darkness) to give him a chance to get away.
What he did not count on was setting off the smoke alarm, something which pinpointed his location. That reduced what could have easily been a half hour response time to 12 minutes, and 18 minutes would be an eternity for an E&E plan. The rapid pinpointing of his position (shooting at the guard really locked him down) saved lives.

Another case for smoke detectors.

Most of these guys fail to consider some aspect of reality that ends up tripping up whatever plan they have. No tactical plan survives the engagement, and that is why there are alternate extraction points, "Plan B, C, D", etc. He oversimplified his situation.

[Suppressed]

I believe he was counting on confusion, bad acoustics, and distance (as well as cover of darkness) to give him a chance to get away.

Did he actually use a fake name for the room?  Not his high-roller status tied to his real name?

And he did use gloves.

But the gloves could have been because he knew he'd be holding hot barrels, plus to handle all that pounding of a lot of rounds with his hands that weren't likely used to it.

Surely, he couldn't have taken all the guns away, and he must have known they'd easily be tied to him. 

[Smokin Joe]

Did he actually use a fake name for the room?  Not his high-roller status tied to his real name?

And he did use gloves.

But the gloves could have been because he knew he'd be holding hot barrels, plus to handle all that pounding of a lot of rounds with his hands that weren't likely used to it.

Surely, he couldn't have taken all the guns away, and he must have known they'd easily be tied to him.

Of course he couldn't have removed all the guns. Gloves just make sense, from the standpoint of handling hot weapons--wouldn't want to burn his fingers, especially if he is going to blow his brains out anyway. See? It isn't what we would call "rational".

The rest, not so much, either--including shooting up a music festival crowd, for that matter.
As for getting away, that requires first getting away from the crime scene. The rest becomes another episode of America's Most Wanted, looking for some country that won't extradite.
$100K seems like a lot to some folks, and it is here for most people, but in some foreign countries, it is a king's ransom.
Money can buy credentials, people do that all the time. It can get you far on the lam, and the guy is a pilot, with multiple residences and three aircraft we know of. Deep pockets can easily buy the illusion that someone can do that which is unlikely, and that impression is reinforced daily on television and in the movies.

I can't speak to the guy's mental state, and there may have been something organic going on there, too, but at some point I think he thought he could get away. Obviously, he didn't think of everything--especially the smoke alarm--which just means his long term plans were poor or nonexistent.

[Suppressed]

Gloves:  http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/vegas-madman-regularly-wore-gloves-because-of-bizarre-allergies/

[DB]

Such hubris to think that he would be able to escape.  Reminds me more of a serial killer, they think they are smarter than everyone else and will never get caught.  I wonder if there are any unsolved murders in the cities where he's lived?

Maybe he had some sort of parachute or a plan to break into a room below him with a rope and hammer from the outside through a window. Who knows without more information... If he did have a plan there should be evidence of it in the room.

Or perhaps he was just nuts and had no real sense of reality.

[DB]

Of course he couldn't have removed all the guns. Gloves just make sense, from the standpoint of handling hot weapons--wouldn't want to burn his fingers, especially if he is going to blow his brains out anyway. See? It isn't what we would call "rational".

The rest, not so much, either--including shooting up a music festival crowd, for that matter.
As for getting away, that requires first getting away from the crime scene. The rest becomes another episode of America's Most Wanted, looking for some country that won't extradite.
$100K seems like a lot to some folks, and it is here for most people, but in some foreign countries, it is a king's ransom.
Money can buy credentials, people do that all the time. It can get you far on the lam, and the guy is a pilot, with multiple residences and three aircraft we know of. Deep pockets can easily buy the illusion that someone can do that which is unlikely, and that impression is reinforced daily on television and in the movies.

I can't speak to the guy's mental state, and there may have been something organic going on there, too, but at some point I think he thought he could get away. Obviously, he didn't think of everything--especially the smoke alarm--which just means his long term plans were poor or nonexistent.

I'm curious where all this money really came from.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm curious where all this money really came from.

There is the possibility that all that was a front for something else, but people do get rich off of legitimate real estate transactions. Any decent amount of investigation should disclose discrepancies in the cover story if it isn't on the level.