House passes 20-week abortion ban

[mystery-ak]

House passes 20-week abortion ban
By Jessie Hellmann - 10/03/17 06:04 PM EDT

The House passed a bill Tuesday that would ban abortions after 20 weeks.

The bill, sponsored by Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), would make it a crime to perform or attempt an abortion after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with the possibility of a fine, up to five years in prison, or both.

The measure passed heavily along party lines, 237-189.

The bill allows exceptions in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the woman and wouldn't penalize women for seeking to get abortions after 20 weeks.

more
http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/353709-house-passes-20-week-abortion-ban

[libertybele]

This is certainly great news and I'm hoping that it passes the Senate.  Planned Parenthood's comment and viewpoint is what is shameful; "“The agenda behind this bill is clear: to shame women and to ban safe, legal abortion," said Dana Singiser, vice president for government relations and public policy for Planned Parenthood."...

[bilo]

This is certainly great news and I'm hoping that it passes the Senate.  Planned Parenthood's comment and viewpoint is what is shameful; "“The agenda behind this bill is clear: to shame women and to ban safe, legal abortion," said Dana Singiser, vice president for government relations and public policy for Planned Parenthood."...

It won't pass the Senate. They will hide behind the 60 vote threshold and nobody will be held responsible.

It's sad that 20 weeks. Wouldn't a woman know after 7 or 8 weeks?

[Right_in_Virginia]

It won't pass the Senate. They will hide behind the 60 vote threshold and nobody will be held responsible.

It wouldn't get 50 votes in the Senate.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Who gets to make the determination as to how far along the pregnancy is?

I mean, if an abortionist doesn't have a problem killing a baby, I can't see lying about the age causing any lack of sleep.

Still good to have on the book, though, for the two or three they catch cheating.

[Emjay]

It won't pass the Senate. They will hide behind the 60 vote threshold and nobody will be held responsible.

It's sad that 20 weeks. Wouldn't a woman know after 7 or 8 weeks?

It is sad but it's a good start.  I  believe the decision was based on the fact that babies in the womb can feel pain after 20 weeks.  I think they can feel pain much earlier.  Sonograms are giving us a lot of insight into babies in the womb.

I think it will pass the Senate.  It had better.

[bilo]

It is sad but it's a good start.  I  believe the decision was based on the fact that babies in the womb can feel pain after 20 weeks.  I think they can feel pain much earlier.  Sonograms are giving us a lot of insight into babies in the womb.

I think it will pass the Senate.  It had better.

I agree with you about incrementalism being better than nothing. It's just so hard to believe that so many don't see unborn babies as human. I don't think abortion is ever an option unless the mother's life depends on it. So many people would adopt children if they could.

[libertybele]

It won't pass the Senate. They will hide behind the 60 vote threshold and nobody will be held responsible.

It's sad that 20 weeks. Wouldn't a woman know after 7 or 8 weeks?

It is sad.  20 weeks is 5 months. 5 months is a long time to carry a child and then to decide to abort.  Babies born at 23 weeks may survive with the help of specialists in a state-of-the-art NICU, but the odds of survival are much lower. The earliest baby to have ever survived premature birth was born at 21 weeks and six days, and this was reported in the news as having been a "miracle."

[Frank Cannon]

House passes 20-week abortion ban

Having almost 5 months with no abortions at all sounds great, but what happens after the 20 weeks are up? We're back to people getting abortions again. Seems like this time frame is a little short.

[bilo]

It is sad.  20 weeks is 5 months. 5 months is a long time to carry a child and then to decide to abort.  Babies born at 23 weeks may survive with the help of specialists in a state-of-the-art NICU, but the odds of survival are much lower. The earliest baby to have ever survived premature birth was born at 21 weeks and six days, and this was reported in the news as having been a "miracle."

Exactly!

I think if abortion is going to be legal a woman should have to decide she wants to kill the unborn by the 9th to 10th week, that's 2 months and a week. 

[Mom MD]

It won't pass the Senate. They will hide behind the 60 vote threshold and nobody will be held responsible.

It's sad that 20 weeks. Wouldn't a woman know after 7 or 8 weeks?

To me there is not a lot of difference.  Taking a life is the same act at 8 weeks as it is near term.  I will take any restriction on abortion we can get, but if one is truly pro life, it doesn't matter the gestational age.  It is the same moral act, although the physical termination of pregnancy is a little easier if the pregnancy is less far along.

[Chosen Daughter]

It is sad but it's a good start.  I  believe the decision was based on the fact that babies in the womb can feel pain after 20 weeks.  I think they can feel pain much earlier.  Sonograms are giving us a lot of insight into babies in the womb.

I think it will pass the Senate.  It had better.

I think they can too.  Sonograms these days are so advanced.  You can see the child  in living color as if you were in there with them.  They know these babies feel pain.  They better pass this.

[TomSea]

I hope future Senator Roy Moore gets some lackey Senators in shape, there's only 3 or 4 Republicans weak in that area, Moore is needed.

And yes, putting the limit at 20 weeks, will stop a lot of abortions but is still as mentioned far into the pregnancy. In France, abortions can not be performed after 12 weeks; so we are behind the curve even with this bill.

[TomSea]

Rome wasn't built in a day; it's baby steps and were darn lucky, we don't have the choice party in power. Only a little bit can be accomplished at a time unfortunately. 

[Mom MD]

I hope future Senator Roy Moore gets some lackey Senators in shape, there's only 3 or 4 Republicans weak in that area, Moore is needed.

And yes, putting the limit at 20 weeks, will stop a lot of abortions but is still as mentioned far into the pregnancy. In France, abortions can not be performed after 12 weeks; so we are behind the curve even with this bill.

As long as we have the idiot sisters Collins and Murkowski in the senate any anti abortion bill is on shaky ground.  I would hope it would pass the senate, but it is not a sure thing.

[Right_in_Virginia]

.../ I think it will pass the Senate.  It had better.

Still think it will pass the Senate @Emjay ?  (Add the usual three Republican suspects to the "no" vote)

Only Three Democrats Voted For The 20-Week Abortion Ban
Daily Caller, Oct 3, 2017, Grace Carr

Only three Democrats joined Republicans to vote for the Pain-Capable Unborn Protection Act Tuesday evening, a bill that will now be sent to the Senate.

The bill states that no unborn baby past 20 weeks gestation can be aborted, except in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother. Abortion providers that violate the law will be penalized and could be sentenced to five years in prison.

More:  http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/03/only-three-democrats-voted-for-the-20-week-abortion-ban/

[Emjay]

Still think it will pass the Senate @Emjay ?  (Add the usual three Republican suspects to the "no" vote)

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Ummm.  Maybe not.  What's wrong with these people?

[jmyrlefuller]

The CBO actually published a score for this bill, claiming it adds $175M to the deficit because more people will be born. I am not joking.

If this doesn't destroy the CBO's credibility, I don't know what will.

[libertybele]

The CBO actually published a score for this bill, claiming it adds $175M to the deficit because more people will be born. I am not joking.

If this doesn't destroy the CBO's credibility, I don't know what will.

Unbelievable.  Thanks for the info!