Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[Sanguine]

And in the case of most Hotels, keep the soap and shampoo stocked.  That's it.  I definitely draw a line at rummaging through luggage.  TSA does that, and they've become the biggest thieves in the entire travel/hotel experience.  The article from the above link about Wynn is silent on luggage.

And, who leaves a gun in your luggage in your room when you're not in there? 

[driftdiver]

And in the case of most Hotels, keep the soap and shampoo stocked.  That's it.  I definitely draw a line at rummaging through luggage.  TSA does that, and they've become the biggest thieves in the entire travel/hotel experience.  The article from the above link about Wynn is silent on luggage.

More and more I just want to stop traveling.  Since my business involves travel thats gonna be hard but its coming.

In my experience most housekeeping employees in these hotels are either immigrants or very low skilled people.  Perhaps you have something different in a bed & breakfast but not in these hotels.

So the person that uses the same towel to clean the toilet, the sink, and the glasses is not going to be going thru your bag.   They were probably doing that before but without their employers permission.

I wonder what the legal standard for this is.  Its still your property, so is the room technically for the period of the rental.     

[txradioguy]

And, who leaves a gun in your luggage in your room when you're not in there?

You'd be surprised.  They are the ones that give the rest of us a bad name.

[driftdiver]

And, who leaves a gun in your luggage in your room when you're not in there?

@Sanguine
I have.  Although I'd greatly prefer not too, mostly because I dont want it stolen.  Sometimes when you are traveling its difficult to negotiate all the restrictions.

[txradioguy]

I wonder what the legal standard for this is.  Its still your property, so is the room technically for the period of the rental.   

@driftdiver

I'm guessing it's in the very tiny print on the paperwork you sign when you check in or book your room online.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

I'm guessing it's in the very tiny print on the paperwork you sign when you check in or book your room online.

@txradioguy
No, I've looked but it may be going forward.  Its probably in law somewhere.  Doesn't matter, unless you are in certain cities it is not illegal to have a firearm in a hotel room.   I frequently carry when traveling (if I'm not flying) and if they ban firearms that's a big deal.

Do they also ban knives?   How about pillows?  People die from suffocation all the time.

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine
I have.  Although I'd greatly prefer not too, mostly because I dont want it stolen.  Sometimes when you are traveling its difficult to negotiate all the restrictions.

I have left mine in the safe with my laptop, or locked in the trunk of my car, but never in my unattended luggage.

[Applewood]

And in the case of most Hotels, keep the soap and shampoo stocked.  That's it.  I definitely draw a line at rummaging through luggage.  TSA does that, and they've become the biggest thieves in the entire travel/hotel experience.  The article from the above link about Wynn is silent on luggage.

No, this article does not mention a search of luggage, but I did see it elsewhere.  I'll look it up when I get home.

[driftdiver]

I have left mine in the safe with my laptop, or locked in the trunk of my car, but never in my unattended luggage.

Not all hotels have a safe and if you are taking your car certain places then you cannot legally take your firearm.   Military bases, Washington DC, some hospital properties.

[Applewood]

@Cyber Liberty

The article on screening luggage:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/4/las-vegas-hotels-subject-guests-luggage-screening-/

[austingirl]

Still waiting for a motive. So many holes in the narrative. I think he might have been laundering money. There is no indication of how a mailman and IRS auditor could afford to become a real estate investor in the 80s with the high interest rates we had then. He owned two planes as well.

His brother Eric is a piece of work, another brother is wanted by police and the last one never mentioned. Two ex-wives with zipped lips.

In his deposition in the slip and fall lawsuit that he lost, he said he gambled one million dollars nightly. Everything was comped and casinos only comp big losers. The games in Las Vegas are rigged to favor the house.

There was mention of many "electronics" and computers found. Were they all wiped clean and nothing can be restored by federal experts? Seems unlikely that the perp could accomplish that on his own.

The cruises and trips all over the world raise questions.

The narrative makes no sense and the longer it takes to get answers, the more suspect the narrative we will be given will be.

[Applewood]

FBI searches Las Vegas gunman's house again

"The search of Paddock's three-bedroom house in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nev. was for 're-documenting and rechecking,'  said local police chief Troy Tanner, who accompanied FBI agents as they served the search warrant."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-lost-items-las-vegas-shooting-20171008-story.html

[driftdiver]

Still waiting for a motive. So many holes in the narrative. I think he might have been laundering money. There is no indication of how a mailman and IRS auditor could afford to become a real estate investor in the 80s with the high interest rates we had then. He owned two planes as well.

His brother Eric is a piece of work, another brother is wanted by police and the last one never mentioned. Two ex-wives with zipped lips.

In his deposition in the slip and fall lawsuit that he lost, he said he gambled one million dollars nightly. Everything was comped and casinos only comp big losers. The games in Las Vegas are rigged to favor the house.

There was mention of many "electronics" and computers found. Were they all wiped clean and nothing can be restored by federal experts? Seems unlikely that the perp could accomplish that on his own.

The cruises and trips all over the world raise questions.

The narrative makes no sense and the longer it takes to get answers, the more suspect the narrative we will be given will be.

@austingirl
He might have made the money during the housing boom.  When they were loaning money without regard to ability to pay.   As a finance person he might have been able to see what was coming.

Personally, I think he had ties to someone like the violent muslim extremists in the Philipines.   Certainly he was a lunatic but I think that led him to seek out other lunatics.   The complete lack of a trail means he went to great pains to hide it.   

[Applewood]

Still waiting for a motive. So many holes in the narrative. I think he might have been laundering money. There is no indication of how a mailman and IRS auditor could afford to become a real estate investor in the 80s with the high interest rates we had then. He owned two planes as well.

His brother Eric is a piece of work, another brother is wanted by police and the last one never mentioned. Two ex-wives with zipped lips.

In his deposition in the slip and fall lawsuit that he lost, he said he gambled one million dollars nightly. Everything was comped and casinos only comp big losers. The games in Las Vegas are rigged to favor the house.

There was mention of many "electronics" and computers found. Were they all wiped clean and nothing can be restored by federal experts? Seems unlikely that the perp could accomplish that on his own.

The cruises and trips all over the world raise questions.

The narrative makes no sense and the longer it takes to get answers, the more suspect the narrative we will be given will be.

We may never know the motive, especially if law enforcement can't find something Paddock prepared to say what the motive was.   

As for the rest -- unlike TV where crimes are solved in an hour, this investigation could take weeks or months and it is possible we may never know -- not necessarily because something is being hidden from us rubes, but because Paddock was that good at hiding things.  I'm inclined to wait to see what develops in the weeks or months ahead, if anything.

[DCPatriot]

FBI searches Las Vegas gunman's house again

"The search of Paddock's three-bedroom house in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nev. was for 're-documenting and rechecking,'  said local police chief Troy Tanner, who accompanied FBI agents as they served the search warrant."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-lost-items-las-vegas-shooting-20171008-story.html

...to plant bogus 'evidence', that's why!   

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

The article on screening luggage:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/4/las-vegas-hotels-subject-guests-luggage-screening-/

It's not the same thing as letting Housekeeping rummage through my baggage, but it's close enough. Vegas is out for me (I think their games are crappy anyway.  Better ones in Laughlin).

[austingirl]

FBI searches Las Vegas gunman's house again

"The search of Paddock's three-bedroom house in a retirement community in Mesquite, Nev. was for 're-documenting and rechecking,'  said local police chief Troy Tanner, who accompanied FBI agents as they served the search warrant."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-lost-items-las-vegas-shooting-20171008-story.html

If they didn't take the interior of the house down to the studs the first time, they are incompetent. After over 1,000 tips- nada. I think this is the first time that nothing is known after a week.

It appears this "gambler/real estate investor" was a ghost. This whole thing stinks.

[edpc]

If they didn't take the interior of the house down to the studs the first time, they are incompetent. After over 1,000 tips- nada. I think this is the first time that nothing is known after a week.

It appears this "gambler/real estate investor" was a ghost. This whole thing stinks.

Not necessarily.  Certain things like autopsy results, subpoena and review of medical and financial records takes time.  What more have we learned about James Fields and his motives, since Charlottesville?  Not much.  Other than being denied bail and assigned a private attorney, there hasn't been a full disclosure of charges or a court date.

[Applewood]

It's not the same thing as letting Housekeeping rummage through my baggage, but it's close enough. Vegas is out for me (I think their games are crappy anyway.  Better ones in Laughlin).

Seems that nowadays, there is a casino around every corner.  I have one not far from me.  Don't need to go through the hassle of traveling to Vegas. 

I used to love to travel, but as I get older, I just don't want to go through all this stuff.  First I get groped and searched by TSA.  Now it looks like I and/or my luggage will be searched at the hotel.    Before long, I won't be able to go anywhere without having my person and my belongings violated.  And I expect others will start feeling the same.  This will not bode well for tourism, particularly in Vegas.

[edpc]

Seems that nowadays, there is a casino around every corner.  I have one not far from me.  Don't need to go through the hassle of traveling to Vegas.

I'm sure they'll experience a short term drop off, but expect an ad campaign blitz early in the New Year.  Some will go for the reputation of the place and want the full Sodom-On-Mojave experience, not just casinos.

[driftdiver]

Seems that nowadays, there is a casino around every corner.  I have one not far from me.  Don't need to go through the hassle of traveling to Vegas. 

I used to love to travel, but as I get older, I just don't want to go through all this stuff.  First I get groped and searched by TSA.  Now it looks like I and/or my luggage will be searched at the hotel.    Before long, I won't be able to go anywhere without having my person and my belongings violated.  And I expect others will start feeling the same.  This will not bode well for tourism, particularly in Vegas.

@Applewood
Look on the bright side, soon you'll be able to get a special permit identifying you as a safe traveler to allow you to bypass the security. 

Same as they did for air travel

[driftdiver]

I'm sure they'll experience a short term drop off, but expect an ad campaign blitz early in the New Year.  Some will go for the reputation of the place and want the full Sodom-On-Mojave experience, not just casinos.

@edpc
Forget calling the front desk for a toothbrush or razor.   You'll be able to call down to get your favorite sex toy that you didn't want to take through security.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@thackney

Similar could be said for car insurance requirement, but we still have it.

are you talking about the uninsured motorist insurance I take?

Exactly who pays for that one, the insured or the uninsured?

[Smokin Joe]

I understand that the Wynn resorts will be screening or searching your luggage now...like the TSA in airports.  Anything to make travel even less of a pleasure than it is now.

Do they pat your groin, too, or is that extra? (Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but: Vegas!)

[Smokin Joe]

Not all hotels have a safe and if you are taking your car certain places then you cannot legally take your firearm.   Military bases, Washington DC, some hospital properties.

With a Class 2 ND CCW, there is no reciprocity in Minnesota and Illinois, and I'd be traveling through one or the other on most long trips. Because the destination state is the People's Republik of Maryland, I traveled with a 3 lb hammer next to me instead of my .45. It sucked, but frankly, I was more leery of the LEOs gigging me on a firearms charge in a routine stop or in the event I was involved in an accident than of any locals. In a scuffle, that hammer is a formidable blunt force weapon, though not as good as a firearm. The tactical machete was out, because some places get flaky over large knives, too.