Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[roamer_1]

Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

The DUI checkpoints could apply to man or beast.

I actually have a friend who has been busted for DUI riding home on his horse.

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@Suppressed


Did this guy really worry about the potential long term  financial implications as he set about to commit mass murder? 

How would insurance stop this type of action?

I never said it would. Follow the comment thread back to @Jazzhead, @driftdiver

[Smokin Joe]

So you would preferred Hillary? I don't think Hillary has evolved much on gun rights.

No, she hasn't.

But when one faces an known and formidable enemy, the troops get their gear together and are ready to stand and fight. That, especially with a Congress dominated by those who will lose their jobs if they vote away any of our RKBA, would act as a substantial bulwark against that loss.

However,  the real enemy of our Rights is the one who claims to be on our side, who 'evolves' in position, who capitulates to the demands by the Liberals to "be reasonable" and compromises, and who will use the power of their office to put pressure on others to do the same.

We unite well against a common and recognized enemy, we do not do so well against a turncoat 'friend'.

I am confident that Hillary would have called for all sorts of things, and gotten none of them.
I am not so confident that will be the case here.

[Smokin Joe]

On MTP, Hugh Hewitt suggested large (didn't specificy a number) firearm purchases could be 'red flagged' as multiple opioid prescriptions are.   

Buy two handguns on the same day, and it trips a flag with the BATF.
Buy one each day of the week, and it may not, especially if you go to different dealers.
Paddock bought from multiple dealers. The last gun purchased the day of the shooting was a bolt action rifle, which though bought hours before the shooting, did not show up at the crime scene (location unknown).

Now, it was the BATF that told (yes, told) dealers to okay the sales of guns involved in the "Fast and Furious" operation, a dozen at a time. Those guns promptly went out of the country to drug cartels, as anticipated, with no way to track them other than to blame American gun dealers after the guns were recovered from crime scenes.

They knew about it, it didn't prevent anything, it facilitated it.

We have two gun shows a year in this area, in state. That means unless I want to travel (250 mile round trip) to 'adjacent' gun shows, I have two buying opportunities aside form local dealers. I might not see anything I want, I might see three or four firearms I want, and if I can afford them, I'd buy them. None of that implies criminal activity. You aren't limited to one loaf of bread or one dozen eggs at the grocery store, either.

[Smokin Joe]

@thackney

Similar could be said for car insurance requirement, but we still have it.

That being said, I'm against the proposal.

You are far more in control of the firearm. I know of no one who was shot because they ran up on some black ice.

[Smokin Joe]

I wonder what measures are being taken now to forestall the kind of attack that happened.
Are there outdoor festivals now being held surrounded by big buildings which could conceal a sniper? I haven't read anything about what the people who hold those outdoor events are doing viz. high rise buildings facing the concerts.
Have hotels stepped up security as far as luggage carried in by guests?
Those are a few things hotels could do, but again, like 9/11, the killers might just change tactics and do something different. Before these things happen, few people wonder if something like that could happen.  I doubt any of the people at the concert thought of the possibility of a sniper in a highrise shooting down on them. 
I've been to music festivals in big cities with skyscrapers not quite as close as the Mandalay but close enough.  Never thought of the possibility of a sniper. I was always worried more about walking back to my car in the parking lot late at night after watching the music.
Only real one thing you can be sure of....some nut will try it again somewhere.

The solution is obvious! Ban high rise buildings. 

[Smokin Joe]

Whiskey for my men, beer for my horses

The DUI checkpoints could apply to man or beast.

It doesn't matter if the beast is sober. I know of guys who were arrested for (and convicted of) DUI, one on a horse, one on a mule, who unsuccessfully contended that not only was the animal sober, but it knew the way home and would not step into traffic.

[edpc]

I know of no one who was shot because they ran up on some black ice.

Sounds different and untrue if you hear that, instead of reading it.

[ABX]

Some are claiming this was the shooter (and the woman is his wife):

https://everipedia.org/wiki/geary-danley/

Nope, that was a debunked hoax/bad call early on. The ex husband of someone who had the same name as Paddock's girlfriend.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,284056.0.html

[DB]

Nope, that was a debunked hoax/bad call early on. The ex husband of someone who had the same name as Paddock's girlfriend.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,284056.0.html

You do know that that was posted the night of the crime and was simply a heads up on what was being said "by some people" at the time...

And was corrected as new information became available as soon as it was available...

[GtHawk]

Buy two handguns on the same day, and it trips a flag with the BATF.
Buy one each day of the week, and it may not, especially if you go to different dealers.
Paddock bought from multiple dealers. The last gun purchased the day of the shooting was a bolt action rifle, which though bought hours before the shooting, did not show up at the crime scene (location unknown).

Now, it was the BATF that told (yes, told) dealers to okay the sales of guns involved in the "Fast and Furious" operation, a dozen at a time. Those guns promptly went out of the country to drug cartels, as anticipated, with no way to track them other than to blame American gun dealers after the guns were recovered from crime scenes.

They knew about it, it didn't prevent anything, it facilitated it.

We have two gun shows a year in this area, in state. That means unless I want to travel (250 mile round trip) to 'adjacent' gun shows, I have two buying opportunities aside form local dealers. I might not see anything I want, I might see three or four firearms I want, and if I can afford them, I'd buy them. None of that implies criminal activity. You aren't limited to one loaf of bread or one dozen eggs at the grocery store, either.

And if you go to a legal gun auction where there are multiple guns you desire and they are within your financial means good old used to be conservative Hugh thinks it's OK if you can't make the purchases because for some reason they might be scary? I bet we could save a lot more pain and suffering by limiting how many statements pundits, politicians, journalists and SJWs are allowed to make in a day,week, month, etc.

[Applewood]

Earth to @Applewood
None of those other candidates had a chance of winning.

Trumps far more open to conservative ideas than anyone else who had a chance of winning.  Yes he has supported gun control.  At least with him he listens to more than just his big donars.

As I said, the choices might not have been good, but they were still choices -- more than just Trump and Hillary. 

Perhaps Trump is "open to" some conservative ideals, on certain days of the week or until Ivanka whispers in his ear. I have seen that on such issues as Obamacare, Trump has indicated a willingness to sign any old piece of crap legislation just so he can tell his supporters he kept his promises. 

It should bother Trump supporters that he is willing to collude with the Democrats.  Anything he might work out with Democrats will not embody conservative ideals. If he decides to collude with the Democrats on gun control, you can kiss the Second Amendment goodbye.  And if Trump supporters in their worship of their god, go along with that collusion, then they are not conservative either. 

[Smokin Joe]

And if you go to a legal gun auction where there are multiple guns you desire and they are within your financial means good old used to be conservative Hugh thinks it's OK if you can't make the purchases because for some reason they might be scary? I bet we could save a lot more pain and suffering by limiting how many statements pundits, politicians, journalists and SJWs are allowed to make in a day,week, month, etc.

[mountaineer]

Vegas shooting wouldn’t have happened at my casino: Steve Wynn
By Marisa Schultz
October 8, 2017 | 10:24pm

Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn suggested Sunday that Stephen Paddock would have set off alarm bells at his properties had he tried launching his mass murder from one of them.

Wynn, namesake of the glitzy Wynn Las Vegas on the strip, said his housekeeping staff is trained to do a visual inspection any time they enter a room, adding that a “Do Not Disturb” sign on a door for longer than 12 hours is investigated.  ... More at NY Post

[verga]

My Godson "Likes" the Occupy Democrats page on Face book. Recently one of their ilk reposted that bit from "The West Wing" about the 2nd Amendment. The following is my response to those morons:
The writers of "The West Wing" are missing several keys points" According the the U.S. Code Chapter 13 Section 311 Subsection a. The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States. The 10 Amendment to the Constitution states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. The enumerated powers listed in Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution are as follows:
● Congress has the power to impose and collect taxes which are to provide for the debts of the United States, as well as for the common defense and welfare of the country. All such taxes are to be implemented equally through the nation.
● The power to borrow money on behalf of the United States.
● The regulation of commerce, both on the international and interstate levels. This is also to include Indian Tribes as well.
● Congress has the power to establish currency and coin money.
● The power to establish post offices.
● To provide for and maintain a navy.
● Organize, train, and arm a militia.
● Exclusive powers to legislative matters of the country. No where does it say anything about gun control, as a matter of fact according to the enumerated powers as a member of the militia they need to supply you with a weapon and train you in it's proper use. So YES gun Control is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

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Vegas shooting wouldn’t have happened at my casino: Steve Wynn
By Marisa Schultz
October 8, 2017 | 10:24pm

Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn suggested Sunday that Stephen Paddock would have set off alarm bells at his properties had he tried launching his mass murder from one of them.

Wynn, namesake of the glitzy Wynn Las Vegas on the strip, said his housekeeping staff is trained to do a visual inspection any time they enter a room, adding that a “Do Not Disturb” sign on a door for longer than 12 hours is investigated.  ... More at NY Post

Good to know. I'll never stay at Snoopy Steve's.

[Applewood]

Vegas shooting wouldn’t have happened at my casino: Steve Wynn
By Marisa Schultz
October 8, 2017 | 10:24pm

Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn suggested Sunday that Stephen Paddock would have set off alarm bells at his properties had he tried launching his mass murder from one of them.

Wynn, namesake of the glitzy Wynn Las Vegas on the strip, said his housekeeping staff is trained to do a visual inspection any time they enter a room, adding that a “Do Not Disturb” sign on a door for longer than 12 hours is investigated.  ... More at NY Post

I understand that the Wynn resorts will be screening or searching your luggage now...like the TSA in airports.  Anything to make travel even less of a pleasure than it is now.

[jpsb]

There are listed no 'rights to ownership' to most items in the bill of rights. It was just assumed by the founders that one would, of course, have a right to own their transportation like they would a fork to eat their food or a chamberpot.

The Bill of Rights didn't grant rights, it protected very specific rights from government interference. I doubt the founders would have ever thought of a day when other items like basic transport, would be up for government regulation, otherwise we would have a Bill of Rights protecting those things as large as Jefferson's library.

What the Bill of Rights protected were specific rights they saw being stripped by powers for the specific reason of suppressing the individual and liberty. The British, and other repressive regimes, didn't come into homes regulating chamberpots or what fork you used, but they did strip people of the right to defend themselves and mandated beliefs. They quartered their soldiers in people's homes and imprisoned people without any due process.

The importance of the very specific items called out in the Bill of Rights all have a common theme- the citizen is sovereign.

@AbaraXas

Exactly right and nicely stated, especially your first paragraph.

[txradioguy]

Vegas shooting wouldn’t have happened at my casino: Steve Wynn
By Marisa Schultz
October 8, 2017 | 10:24pm

Las Vegas casino mogul Steve Wynn suggested Sunday that Stephen Paddock would have set off alarm bells at his properties had he tried launching his mass murder from one of them.

Wynn, namesake of the glitzy Wynn Las Vegas on the strip, said his housekeeping staff is trained to do a visual inspection any time they enter a room, adding that a “Do Not Disturb” sign on a door for longer than 12 hours is investigated.  ... More at NY Post

If he wants to keep the Whales spending large sums in his properties his snooping won't last long. Especially now that he's made it public that his housekeepers check out the luggage in the rooms while they are down in the Casino making Wynn even richer than he is now.

[Cyber Liberty]

If he wants to keep the Whales spending large sums in his properties his snooping won't last long. Especially now that he's made it public that his housekeepers check out the luggage in the rooms while they are down in the Casino making Wynn even richer than he is now.

I didn't see the part about going through luggage in the article....

As for doing a "visual inspection" I expect them to do that.  How else can they tell if you need towels, sheets or shampoo?

[driftdiver]

If he wants to keep the Whales spending large sums in his properties his snooping won't last long. Especially now that he's made it public that his housekeepers check out the luggage in the rooms while they are down in the Casino making Wynn even richer than he is now.

Its about keeping people going to Vegas and spending money.  Just the like the TSA they want the appearance of security but don't care about actual security.

People go to Vegas to party and do things they can't do at home.   Searching bags puts people in fear of someone finding their furry handcuffs and drugs.  It won't be in place for long.

[txradioguy]

I didn't see the part about going through luggage in the article....

As for doing a "visual inspection" I expect them to do that.  How else can they tell if you need towels, sheets or shampoo?

I don't need housekeeping doing a visual "inspection" of my luggage when I'm in the hotel.  Especially as a gun owner. 

But even before then it's not the job of the housekeeper to keep an eye on me.  Their job is to make my bed and replace the towels.

[driftdiver]

I don't need housekeeping doing a visual "inspection" of my luggage when I'm in the hotel.  Especially as a gun owner. 

But even before then it's not the job of the housekeeper to keep an eye on me.  Their job is to make my bed and replace the towels.

@txradioguy
So they will go thru someones bag, find a hand gun and call the police.  Thats gonna start a kerfuffle

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy
So they will go thru someones bag, find a hand gun and call the police.  Thats gonna start a kerfuffle

@driftdriver and then that opens a Pandora's Box into what else the maids have found in their snooping...and what they might not have reported (cash, drugs, laptops).

And suddenly you're the owner of a Hotel/Casino that looks more like a ghost town.

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't need housekeeping doing a visual "inspection" of my luggage when I'm in the hotel.  Especially as a gun owner. 

But even before then it's not the job of the housekeeper to keep an eye on me.  Their job is to make my bed and replace the towels.

And in the case of most Hotels, keep the soap and shampoo stocked.  That's it.  I definitely draw a line at rummaging through luggage.  TSA does that, and they've become the biggest thieves in the entire travel/hotel experience.  The article from the above link about Wynn is silent on luggage.