Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[Mom MD]

Yep.

If they come for my guns they can have my ammo first.  One at a time.....   hope they are good at  catching!

[Cyber Liberty]

Shall not be infringed. That justifies no fiscal test for owning a firearm (or other arm).

As I said earlier, Paddock was a man of means, owning multiple homes and aircraft. He was a recognized "high roller" on the gambling circuit.

A few tens of thousands in insurance fees would not have stopped him, either.

Few enough people can afford to purchase as many arms as he did, and he bought some of the pricier ones out there. That doesn't begin to add in the add-ons like bump stocks, bipods, extra magazines, good optics, etc. Money was not an impediment for him.

But for the average guy, having to insure every gun is like for someone who owns five cars having to insure every one of them. You only use one at a time. I have six vehicles on the pavement, but I only drive one at a time. If that vehicle sits unused for a month, I still have to pay for the insurance even though the probability of it being involved in an accident and causing injury to someone is zero. Yet you would impose a similar model on someone who owns firearms? Even NIB arms purchased for an investment? Grandpa's old scattergun, and the wallhanger percussion rifle from the 1800s passed down through the family? Will parts count as firearms, like with "machine guns"? That way the slug barrel or the set of chokes for that shotgun can be counted as several firearms instead of just one?

Not only no, but Hell no. I see a lot of iron bottomed lakes out there as those guns are rapidly lost in boating accidents, and jokes like those told about the Latvians while the Soviets dominated there (Why do Latvians pour oil on their flowerbeds? To keep the rifles from rusting...)

This is a big country. How are you even going to find them all? That won't happen, but people who sold a firearm private sale to someone who has died or moved would end up having to carry insurance on something they don't have or face prison for not producing something they no longer own? Will the ex-wife-to-be assert the ex-husband-to-be has unregistered and uninsured firearms as the new opening gambit of a nasty divorce instead of just alleging abuse? Because there would have to be a registry in order to track insurance compliance.

I take issue with the methodology used with liability insurance for vehicles, anyway. I think the Driver should be insured for liability rather than the vehicle (unless you want full coverage for collision and comprehensive, which banks want to secure the value of a collateral asset, and some folks want for expensive vehicles which might suffer damage without a clear way to recover costs of replacement or repair).

But, at some point, your solution has a result: I see dead people.

Nope. Let's not go there. Let's not make criminals out of people who are not a problem. Let's not create a situation which will lead to very hard feelings, and very likely, bloodshed,where there would have been none.

Leave this infringement the hell off of my RKBA. It will cost more lives than it saves.

QFT.  Good post.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

With Jazz its situational.

At this point, our resident liberal troll is simply trying to shut down another thread, of which I am certain he holds the record for the number count thrown into the bin-of-stopped-threads.

[roamer_1]

If they come for my guns they can have my ammo first.  One at a time.....   hope they are good at  catching!

Nah... They just won't find mine. Canoe accident. Live to fight another day...
In the mean time, I'll have an underground machine shop tooling up.
Because when that time comes, what will come after will be a short time later.

[Smokin Joe]

Nah... They just won't find mine. Canoe accident. Live to fight another day...
In the mean time, I'll have an underground machine shop tooling up.
Because when that time comes, what will come after will be a short time later.

I like the way you think. Me, too.

[roamer_1]

I like the way you think. Me, too.

I'm too old to fight. that's for the young bucks.
But I ain't too old to make.
And I know how.

[driftdiver]

I'm too old to fight. that's for the young bucks.
But I ain't too old to make.
And I know how.

It's time to resume buying.  3 a month is probably more than I can do but gonna try.

[txradioguy]

It's time to resume buying.  3 a month is probably more than I can do but gonna try.

Academy and Rural King have been having some good deals.

If you know someone with PX access they've been having sales too.

Right now I'm looking at places like SGAmmo and Cheaper Than Dirt.

[Mom MD]

It's time to resume buying.  3 a month is probably more than I can do but gonna try.

I’m not a young buck but I think the time is coming soon where we will have to make a stand and be counted.   Most likely in defense of our churches.  But it is a lot harder to stand in defense without arms.  Those who would take our freedoms know this.  That is why the gun grab usually precedes all others.

[Bigun]

Academy and Rural King have been having some good deals.

If you know someone with PX access they've been having sales too.

Right now I'm looking at places like SGAmmo and Cheaper Than Dirt.

https://www.bonefroggunclub.com/collections/ammunition

[edpc]

It's time to resume buying.  3 a month is probably more than I can do but gonna try.

A P90 and an FN Five Seven, so you can get your hands on and use SS190 FMJ, when the real trouble starts.

[Elderberry]

When ammunition was hard to find, my son and I began amassing reloading supplies. Then reloading supplies dried up. Now the drought is about over. I should get more.

Always make sure you have plenty of ammo on hand.

[TomSea]

I voted for my 2nd amendment rights at the ballot box, for some of those predicting the next American Revolution. Boy, talk about people being dramatic, unreal; but those rights didn't mean enough for their vote.

  If it weren't so sad, it'd be laughable, the government will have the might to crush any insurrection but go out fighting like Steven Paddock.

[Smokin Joe]

I voted for my 2nd amendment rights at the ballot box, for some of those predicting the next American Revolution. Boy, talk about people being dramatic, unreal; but those rights didn't mean enough for their vote.

  If it weren't so sad, it'd be laughable, the government will have the might to crush any insurrection but go out fighting like Steven Paddock.

The RKBA hasn't been up for a vote since ratification--and then, only the Amendment which is supposed to keep the government from infringing the Right.

[DCPatriot]

Short of total confiscation of weapons legally owned by private citizens by the Federal government...nothing

If every person in that crowd of 29,000 was carrying, they STILL wouldn't have been able to stop Braddock, or protect themselves.

The goal should be to stop people like him.   IMO, it's impossible in a nation of 330M.

[Mom MD]

If every person in that crowd of 29,000 was carrying, they STILL wouldn't have been able to stop Braddock, or protect themselves.

The goal should be to stop people like him.   IMO, it's impossible in a nation of 330M.

No carrying in that situation would have been of no benefit   There will always be those situations where there is nothing you can do.  But all in all I like my chances better when I am armed than when I am not.

[DB]

I voted for my 2nd amendment rights at the ballot box, for some of those predicting the next American Revolution. Boy, talk about people being dramatic, unreal; but those rights didn't mean enough for their vote.

  If it weren't so sad, it'd be laughable, the government will have the might to crush any insurrection but go out fighting like Steven Paddock.

Trump was pushing for an "assault" weapons ban in 2000. Fact.

An "assault" weapon is a term created by the left and basically means scary looking gun...

[DCPatriot]

No carrying in that situation would have been of no benefit   There will always be those situations where there is nothing you can do.  But all in all I like my chances better when I am armed than when I am not.

In total agreement with you, @Mom MD

[ABX]

Police finally revealed what was written on the note in the room.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/07/the-las-vegas-killer-died-with-a-note-by-his-side-heres-what-it-read/?utm_content=buffer8ba9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[bigheadfred]

Ensure means to remove doubt of an outcome.  For example, to ensure you have electricity after a big storm, you have fuel and a generator.

Insure means to secure against financial loss.

Don't define it, define it.

[TomSea]

Trump was pushing for an "assault" weapons ban in 2000. Fact.

An "assault" weapon is a term created by the left and basically means scary looking gun...

2000? So what?  Almost 20 years ago.

Armed American Radio endorsed him. NRA endorsed Trump.

Apparently, he has evolved on the issue, he got elected, these others may well not have been elected. It's probably in the GOP platform as well. 

Fact, I voted for my 2nd amendment rights with the GOP candidate, as I always do. 

And let's not forget those who did NOT vote for the pro-2nd amendment candidate who act like they are taking a noble stance, because it's just rubbish.  They abandoned the 2nd amendment.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf
It might even be in the GOP platform.

Voting for Trump meant voting pro-life, voting 2nd amendment rights.

[TomSea]

GOP platform, here it is:

The Second Amendment:
Our Right to Keep and Bear Arms
We  uphold  the  right  of  individuals  to  keep 
and  bear  arms,  a  natural  inalienable  right  that 
predates  the  Constitution  and  is  secured  by  the 
Second Amendment. Lawful gun ownership enables
Americans to exercise their God-given right of self-
defense  for  the  safety  of  their  homes,  their  loved 
ones, and their communities. 
  We  salute  the  Republican  Congress  for 
defending  the  right  to  keep  and  bear  arms  by 
preventing the President from installing a new liberal
majority  on  the  Supreme  Court.  The  confirmation 
to  the  Court  of  additional  anti-gun  justices  would 
eviscerate the Second Amendment’s fundamental
protections.  Already,  local  officials  in  the  nation’s 
capital  and  elsewhere  are  defying  the  Court’s 
decisions  upholding  an  individual  right  to  bear 
arms  as  affirmed  by  the  Supreme  Court  in 
Heller
and
McDonald
.    We  support  firearm  reciprocity 
legislation  to  recognize  the  right  of  law-abiding 
Americans to carry firearms to protect themselves
and  their  families  in  all  50  states.  We  support 
constitutional  carry  statutes  and  salute  the  states 
that  have  passed  them.  We  oppose  ill-conceived 
laws  that  would  restrict  magazine  capacity  or 
ban  the  sale  of  the  most  popular  and  common 
modern rifle. We also oppose any effort to deprive
• REPUBLICAN
PLATFORM 2016 •
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individuals  of  their  right  to  keep  and  bear  arms 
without due process of law. 
We  condemn  frivolous  lawsuits  against  gun 
manufacturers  and  the  current  Administration’s 
illegal  harassment  of  firearm  dealers.  We  oppose 
federal  licensing  or  registration  of  law-abiding 
gun  owners,  registration  of  ammunition,  and 
restoration of the ill-fated Clinton gun ban. We call
for a thorough investigation — by a new Republican
administration — of the deadly “Fast and Furious”
operation  perpetrated  by  Department  of  Justice 
officials who approved and allowed illegal sales of
guns to known violent criminals

[edpc]

Police finally revealed what was written on the note in the room.
http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/10/07/the-las-vegas-killer-died-with-a-note-by-his-side-heres-what-it-read/?utm_content=buffer8ba9c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

A few pages back, some here had guessed it would be ballistic calculations.

[bigheadfred]

I'll be among those who ignore the law when they come after my guns.  Giving up my guns is a line I simply will not cross.

You are completely correct.

Pass any law you want to do'n't give you a pass. Or pass muster.

[TomSea]

And there is no gun confiscation program being planned or anything, so this is just a tangent.