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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #850 on: October 04, 2017, 09:20:49 pm »
Just an aside, but I don't recognize any of the posters to that thread.

Some were familiar and members since around the 2K timeframe.  The purges and frustration with posts like that garbage have dragged the place down.
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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #851 on: October 04, 2017, 09:25:50 pm »
Both are operated by MGM Resorts. Not sure if that means anything in the casino world since I don't gamble.

No clue either. I stay in casino hotels a lot when going to conferences or just traveling because they are the best value and 5 star quality, but I never gamble other than a few bucks walking through.

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« Reply #852 on: October 04, 2017, 09:26:04 pm »
Makes you wonder if he tried to book a room at The Luxor.  About the same distance, but almost a 90° angle to the crowd.  Perhaps the sphinx and obelisk in front was too much of an obstruction?

Luxor is only 30 floors high, and there was seating grandstand on that side that might have blocked LOS to some of the "floor seating". 
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« Reply #853 on: October 04, 2017, 09:32:11 pm »
Just an aside, but I don't recognize any of the posters to that thread.

I thought the same thing when I looked at it, also.

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« Reply #854 on: October 04, 2017, 09:36:05 pm »
Some were familiar and members since around the 2K timeframe.

Well, I was a member from 2002 until last year and I don't remember them.  If I trace their posting history, many of them were quiet for years until last year. 

I still think JR reanimated some old posters to make his site look more populous than it is.

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« Reply #855 on: October 04, 2017, 09:41:25 pm »
That's about the size of it right there. True automatic weapons are simply priced out of reach.  I have a friend with a fully-auto AR15 that he bought in 1986 on the advice of a friend ("Shit the money if you have to, but get this weapon, you'll never have another chance!"), and today it's worth easily $20K (It's not even in pristine condition).  I've fired it, and I'm sure it's not that different from a bump-stock.  I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.  I see no purpose in having one for myself, but I can only make that decision for myself and not anybody else.
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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #856 on: October 04, 2017, 09:54:27 pm »
That's never going to matter or be good enough for some.  If you want a sample of how twisted and paranoid people can get, check this thread at TOS.  Have some Excedrin nearby.  I know it gave me a headache.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3591832/posts

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Those people are mentally whacked and legitimately in need of help.

Post #72----"An element of the deep state gone 'rouge' ".  Lol

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« Reply #857 on: October 04, 2017, 09:57:24 pm »

Those people are mentally whacked and legitimately in need of help.

Post #72----"An element of the deep state gone 'rouge' ".  Lol

It's Col. Kutz and his Montagnards over there.
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« Reply #858 on: October 04, 2017, 09:58:11 pm »
@edpc

Those people are mentally whacked and legitimately in need of help.

Post #72----"An element of the deep state gone 'rouge' ".  Lol

Some missing words there, obviously.  Perhaps "Deep South" and Rouge...must be talking about Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #859 on: October 04, 2017, 10:01:54 pm »
@edpc

Those people are mentally whacked and legitimately in need of help.

Post #72----"An element of the deep state gone 'rouge' ".  Lol

I've been browsing threads and they are absolutely insane, almost becoming worse than 4Chan. If you can think of the most waked out conspiracy theory, someone has brought it up about this.

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« Reply #860 on: October 04, 2017, 10:04:46 pm »
So he sold an airplane to a company that buys airplanes and just has to have DOD contracts, and... shock... the company that bought the plane still has it listed as an active registration...

Well that settles it.. Ancient Aliens did it.

Sheesh, talk about pulling a yuge conspiracy out of absolutely nothing.
Wait for the next big revelation that ties him to a government conspiracy.....................he got his auto insurance through GEICO, whose looks suspiciously like an alien, coincidence? You decide!

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« Reply #861 on: October 04, 2017, 10:06:47 pm »
Wait for the next big revelation that ties him to a government conspiracy.....................he got his auto insurance through GEICO, whose looks suspiciously like an alien, coincidence? You decide!
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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #862 on: October 04, 2017, 10:07:14 pm »
@edpc

Those people are mentally whacked and legitimately in need of help.

Post #72----"An element of the deep state gone 'rouge' ".  Lol

Well, you have to have pink cheeks when you're that deep in the state, doncha know?? :dx1:
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« Reply #863 on: October 04, 2017, 10:15:04 pm »
Some missing words there, obviously.  Perhaps "Deep South" and Rouge...must be talking about Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

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« Reply #864 on: October 04, 2017, 10:29:43 pm »
Wait for the next big revelation that ties him to a government conspiracy.....................he got his auto insurance through GEICO, whose looks suspiciously like an alien, coincidence? You decide!

On that FR thread, they were already putting out there he was a burned CIA agent or other stories like that.

It really reinforces my belief many are just trolls trying to see what crap they can spread.

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« Reply #865 on: October 04, 2017, 10:50:15 pm »
On that FR thread, they were already putting out there he was a burned CIA agent or other stories like that.

It really reinforces my belief many are just trolls trying to see what crap they can spread.

Certainly somebody must have metioned that this all happened on the same day OJ was released and that the faceless body shown in photos had black gloves, just like OJ wore.
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« Reply #866 on: October 04, 2017, 10:56:11 pm »
Certainly somebody must have metioned that this all happened on the same day OJ was released and that the faceless body shown in photos had blaxk gloves, just like OJ wore.

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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #867 on: October 04, 2017, 11:09:26 pm »
On that FR thread, they were already putting out there he was a burned CIA agent or other stories like that.

It really reinforces my belief many are just trolls trying to see what crap they can spread.
Money/multiple houses widely distributed/Philippine connection/multiple aircraft/foreign ties/High roller gambling All that's missing is the ties to drug trafficking (oh, and ties to agency black ops).

While some strange stuff has been thrown out, his lifestyle might well be the sort which could conceal large amounts of money being moved around off the radar. It is easy to suspect some sort of impropriety, especially in a group who are as suspicious of most wealthy people as the Socialists, and who would attribute that wealth to some sort of nefarious activity.

Whatever happened here, we may never know the absolute truth or the motivation of the shooter.

We are left with trying to interpret whatever events and facts we can sift from the internet dross and piece together.

Established:
Profession: real estate
Age: mid 60s
Activities: High Roller Gambler
Race: White
Marital Status: Divorced, presumably straight, with girlfriend.
Politics (still uncertain, and may/may not be relevant)
Religion:  (uncertain)
Criminal record: None known
Apparent gripes: (uncertain)

Which leaves us with no clear motive to shoot up a crowd of any size, much less to engage in the sort pf preparation/planning to do so.
He had the means.
He had the opportunity.

Motive is the big question mark.

This leaves us trying to assemble a picture of the guy's mental state and other factors which may have influenced him to commit this crime.

Was this related to business/gambling dealings? (Did he lose a 'bet'?)
Was this a personal grudge?
Did this arise from his relationship with the GF? Directly? Indirectly?
Did this arise as a result of a physical problem (tumor, or drug abuse, for instance).
Does it have a religious factor? (Jihad? Did he sell his soul for success, and ol' Scratch came to collect?)
Did he have some sort of psychological breakdown and manage to conceal that during his preparations for the crime?
Was this done under duress? (which leaves a few possible causes open to speculation).

We have to try to piece the mental state, his motive, from evidence, from the accounts of others ( less defining, because no one person ever completely knows another), and from any clues he may have left.

If this involves any sort of networked behaviour (radicalization, for instance) then that information may well not be forthcoming as part of an ongoing investigation.

That leaves sleuthing (which means there will be false leads and dead ends) and also leaves us at the mercy of official information releases and the spew of the press, which ranges wildly in accuracy and content and degree of speculation.

There will be brainstorming, under the circumstances, and some of it will be obvious nonsense, but still essential to eliminate in the process of finding any answers. Until we have enough info to eliminate any of those theories, we can't, and for all we know (and don't) there may be a convoluted conspiracy involved.

Until then, it's all theory.
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Re: Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay
« Reply #868 on: October 04, 2017, 11:24:40 pm »
For some reason, @Smokin Joe , your post made me think of
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« Reply #869 on: October 04, 2017, 11:31:34 pm »
For some reason, @Smokin Joe , your post made me think of

I enjoyed those shows and still catch one from time to time.

There is apparently either a lot more or a lot less to this than folks seem to think. I don't think we know the half of it.
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« Reply #870 on: October 04, 2017, 11:34:27 pm »
Until then, it's all theory.

I believe he tried to sue one of the casinos for $100k or so after a fall and lost his case. He could have a grudge about that too...

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« Reply #871 on: October 04, 2017, 11:36:35 pm »
I enjoyed those shows and still catch one from time to time.

There is apparently either a lot more or a lot less to this than folks seem to think. I don't think we know the half of it.

Something is brother said today in that interview really started to make me think.  Everyone is trying to pin all these different motives on him to avoid the scariest thought of them all.

He was a normal guy all his life, just like your neighbor, brother, coworker, etc, and something just snapped. Maybe a mental illness, maybe a tumor. It wasn't outside factors, it wasn't a criminal conspiracy, it was something that could be a lot closer to home for many people.

That thought is a lot scarier than terrorism, being a spy or working for a cartel. That something like a tumor or something in our brain's chemicals go haywire that could turn anyone into another Paddock.

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« Reply #872 on: October 04, 2017, 11:37:58 pm »
I believe he tried to sue one of the casinos for $100k or so after a fall and lost his case. He could have a grudge about that too...

But how long ago was that?  If it was years ago, it's a long time to bear a grudge. 

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« Reply #873 on: October 04, 2017, 11:41:07 pm »
But how long ago was that?  If it was years ago, it's a long time to bear a grudge.

I think it was around 2011 but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #874 on: October 04, 2017, 11:44:22 pm »
Something is brother said today in that interview really started to make me think.  Everyone is trying to pin all these different motives on him to avoid the scariest thought of them all.

He was a normal guy all his life, just like your neighbor, brother, coworker, etc, and something just snapped. Maybe a mental illness, maybe a tumor. It wasn't outside factors, it wasn't a criminal conspiracy, it was something that could be a lot closer to home for many people.

That thought is a lot scarier than terrorism, being a spy or working for a cartel. That something like a tumor or something in our brain's chemicals go haywire that could turn anyone into another Paddock.

Charles Whitman had a pecan sized brain tumor.  The findings were mixed, but neuroscience was at a different level then.
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