Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[ABX]

I thought he checked in on the 28th?  This receipt is dated Sept 27.

he was a regular at the casino, maybe he at at the restaurant the day before.

or that could be a possible flag that this is fake, whoever made it screwed up or left this just to draw questions.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Agree totally.  This could have been a lot worse has be been a couple hundred yards closer.

I was and still am honestly surprised that with the airport being as close as it was to the venue that there wasn't any damage to any of the airplanes.

@txradioguy
There would be variation on the rifle and ammo but some generic numbers for the ballistics figuring he was 1100 ft away.

At 100 yds
7.62            velocity 2008ft/s         energy 1101 ft lb       
5.56            velocity 2759 ft/s         energy 929 ft lb

At 350 yds   (1100 ft)
7.62            velocity 1314ft/s         energy 471 ft lb
5.56            velocity 1755 ft/s        energy 376 ft lb


So we (they) were very lucky he was so far away.  Probably explains why there were so many injured vs killed.   

[ABX]

New interview with the brother. Totally bizarre. Over 30 minutes in front of his house.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,284247.0.html

[LadyLiberty]

he was a regular at the casino, maybe he at at the restaurant the day before.

or that could be a possible flag that this is fake, whoever made it screwed up or left this just to draw questions.

But it shows room as 32135, which was his room number.  How could he charge something to a room he hadn't checked into yet?

ETA:  I don't think it was faked, I just think it belongs to whoever had the room before him.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy
There would be variation on the rifle and ammo but some generic numbers for the ballistics figuring he was 1100 ft away.

At 100 yds
7.62            velocity 2008ft/s         energy 1101 ft lb       
5.56            velocity 2759 ft/s         energy 929 ft lb

At 350 yds   (1100 ft)
7.62            velocity 1314ft/s         energy 471 ft lb
5.56            velocity 1755 ft/s        energy 376 ft lb


So we (they) were very lucky he was so far away.  Probably explains why there were so many injured vs killed.

Literally the difference between life and death for a lot of people.  I haven't seen any data on it yet...but I'm wondering if the majority of those killed were closer to the stage area...i.e. closer to the shooter where bullet velocity and energy would have been greater.

[Silver Pines]

I heard that a hotel security guard was the first to enter the room, ahead of the cops?  Isn't that kind of odd?

[driftdiver]

I heard that a hotel security guard was the first to enter the room, ahead of the cops?  Isn't that kind of odd?

The security guard was responding to the fire alarm and got there before the cops did.   He didn't enter the room but was hit in the leg when the guy shot through the door.

[edpc]

@txradioguy
There would be variation on the rifle and ammo but some generic numbers for the ballistics figuring he was 1100 ft away.

At 100 yds
7.62            velocity 2008ft/s         energy 1101 ft lb       
5.56            velocity 2759 ft/s         energy 929 ft lb

At 350 yds   (1100 ft)
7.62            velocity 1314ft/s         energy 471 ft lb
5.56            velocity 1755 ft/s        energy 376 ft lb


So we (they) were very lucky he was so far away.  Probably explains why there were so many injured vs killed.

You also have to consider these are calculated at zero angle.  The ballistic drop of the bullet would be less from his height/angle and the projectile would retain more energy.

[thackney]

I heard that a hotel security guard was the first to enter the room, ahead of the cops?  Isn't that kind of odd?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/03/heres-timeline-how-las-vegas-shooting-unfolded/729034001/

...
10:14 p.m. ...Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said later that officers coordinated with security guards at the hotel to gather intelligence and learn that customers had complained about hearing shots from the 29th to the 32nd floors.

“Some officers took it upon themselves to immediately go to the Mandalay Bay,” Lombardo said. “There was a team of six officers that approached security. They went up the elevators after discussing the situation with security and obtaining intelligence. They checked each floor, until they located were where they believed to be the room. Subsequently they approached the room, received gunfire, they backed off and SWAT responded.”...

...10:24 p.m. Up on the 32nd floor, police and security officers are closing in on room 135. An officer calls for a SWAT team after the gunman shot through his door and wounded a hotel security guard who accompanied the officers.

“We have a security officer shot in the leg on 32 floor,” an officer says. “He shot down the hallway and hit a security guard.”

10:29 p.m. As officers gather on the 32nd floor, there is still confusion about whether a second gunman could be on the 29th floor....

[driftdiver]

You also have to consider these are calculated at zero angle.  The ballistic drop of the bullet would be less from his height/angle and the projectile would retain more energy.

@edpc
I've never understood that but it is a good point.  The 1100 feet was the linear distance.   The angle distance adds another 50 feet to it.   

To me the bullet is gonna drop based on the distance regardless of the angle, its just the angle has to be taken into account.

[ABX]

Newsweek retracted the story that the girlfriend was married to two men and had 2 ssns. They reported false info.
http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033

[musiclady]

Newsweek retracted the story that the girlfriend was married to two men and had 2 ssns. They reported false info.
http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033

That's why only 12 people read their mag......

[edpc]

@edpc
I've never understood that but it is a good point.  The 1100 feet was the linear distance.   The angle distance adds another 50 feet to it.   

To me the bullet is gonna drop based on the distance regardless of the angle, its just the angle has to be taken into account.

The zero point will also change with the angle.  If I went to the range and zeroed my sight for 200m, the optics are accounting for the parabolic bullet trajectory at zero angle.  With his position and angle, his ballistic path will be different and aiming directly at a 200m target will cause you to miss high.

http://millettsights.com/downloads/ShootingUphillAndDownhill.pdf

[Applewood]

Newsweek retracted the story that the girlfriend was married to two men and had 2 ssns. They reported false info.
http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley-gunmans-girlfriend-social-security-number-677033

Not surprising.   This kind of story brings out more  disinformation than most.  We don't really have any news source we can fully trust. 

[Bigun]

@txradioguy
There would be variation on the rifle and ammo but some generic numbers for the ballistics figuring he was 1100 ft away.

At 100 yds
7.62            velocity 2008ft/s         energy 1101 ft lb       
5.56            velocity 2759 ft/s         energy 929 ft lb

At 350 yds   (1100 ft)
7.62            velocity 1314ft/s         energy 471 ft lb
5.56            velocity 1755 ft/s        energy 376 ft lb


So we (they) were very lucky he was so far away.  Probably explains why there were so many injured vs killed.

Were did you get those figures?  They seem inordinately low to me.

[ABX]

That's why only 12 people read their mag......

Unfortunate though, the million others who are passing along the 'fact' won't know it was retracted and it will continued to be passed along and assumed to be 'fact' even when it isn't. Who knows how it evolves with the old telephone game.

[driftdiver]

Were did you get those figures?  They seem inordinately low to me.

@Bigun
gundata.org and compared to a couple other sites which had similiar data

[Applewood]

I think most people here are smart enough not to get suckered, but...

Apparently, there are a whole bunch of phony fundraising efforts springing up, particularly GoFundMe pages.  A friend was telling me this morning about one of those pages set up for "Alice Brenhauer" allegedly one of those wounded in the attack.  There was a real sob story about how Alice's husband was killed in the attack.  She has no health insurance.  Will need extensive and costly rehab. Blah, blah, blah. 

Only...someone decided to do some digging and found out there is no Alice Brenhauer listed as a patient at any of the LV hospitals.  And no one with the alleged husband's name is listed among the dead.  My friend tells me the GoFundMe page has since been deleted. Don't know if there will be an investigation to find the scammer. 

So if you are tempted to donate to any fundraiser related to this attack -- be careful.

[Meldrew]

@Bigun
gundata.org and compared to a couple other sites which had similiar data

Did it mention bullet weight?

[driftdiver]

Did it mention bullet weight?

@Meldrew
It did but I was only looking for generic data.   The actual data varies significantly based on ammo and rifle.

[Bigun]

@Bigun
gundata.org and compared to a couple other sites which had similiar data

What makes the .308 such a good round? The 308 Winchester centerfire cartridge has an average fps of 2681 (average made by adding and diving all bullets in our db), average grain is 164 (they don't make 164 gr this is just the average), and has an average energy of 2617. These figures give this bullet a 4.4 out of 20 power rank using our algorithm. So it's not a shocker that the .308 would be a good cartridge.

Cut and pasted from your site except I added the bolding.

http://gundata.org/cartridge/56/.308-winchester-%287.62mm-nato%29/

Here's the ballistics chart:

http://gundata.org/blog/post/308-ballistics-chart/

[ABX]

I think most people here are smart enough not to get suckered, but...

Apparently, there are a whole bunch of phony fundraising efforts springing up, particularly GoFundMe pages.  A friend was telling me this morning about one of those pages set up for "Alice Brenhauer" allegedly one of those wounded in the attack.  There was a real sob story about how Alice's husband was killed in the attack.  She has no health insurance.  Will need extensive and costly rehab. Blah, blah, blah. 

Only...someone decided to do some digging and found out there is no Alice Brenhauer listed as a patient at any of the LV hospitals.  And no one with the alleged husband's name is listed among the dead.  My friend tells me the GoFundMe page has since been deleted. Don't know if there will be an investigation to find the scammer. 

So if you are tempted to donate to any fundraiser related to this attack -- be careful.

It is a sad state, but I see fake sob story fundraisers almost weekly, many were caught around here after the hurricanes asking for donations only to find them turning around and reselling them. There was one lady near here, still operating too, that was caught raising money for tornado victims a few years ago in Oklahoma who was pocketing the money herself. Before we knew about this, last year we even loaded up two cars full of toys for one of her Christmas fundraisers, only to see a week or so later, her kids selling a lot of the stuff on garage sale pages. Sadly, she has a little circle of friends that are constantly defending her and she is still doing this crap. The police won't do anything because they are 'donations' to unofficial orgs, like a gift, and they say you can't prosecute someone for using a gift a different way than you intended.

[Bigun]

Data on .223 Remington/ 5.56 Nato is here:

http://gundata.org/cartridge/8/.223-remington-(5.56x45mm-nato)/

@driftdiver

I'm not sniping at you but the numbers you posted just looked inordinately low for both cartridges and, as it happens, the were.

[edpc]

Until we are told of the motive, we will just be reading our own beliefs into his motives.

That's never going to matter or be good enough for some.  If you want a sample of how twisted and paranoid people can get, check this thread at TOS.  Have some Excedrin nearby.  I know it gave me a headache.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3591832/posts

[Silver Pines]

@driftdiver and @thackney

Thanks, guys...that makes more sense.