Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[driftdiver]

I don't know. He DIDN'T go after LEOs approaching, so no...

I'd say maybe just to get ventilation to get the fire alarm to quit screaming... But that can't be... Police reports specify two separate nests. There was a purpose to it, and I don't understand it.

@roamer_1
He apparently had cameras in the hallway so he probably knew the cops were there.   The cops used explosives to enter the room, something he may not have anticipated.  It might have thrown him off.  If so good, otherwise we'd be hearing complaints about how the cops shot him.

[ABX]

That seems to be a very large room..

He was a high roller. That would have most likely been a suite.

Example:

[ABX]

Well, according to Pamela Geller, it was him at the anti-Trump protest.  She added that Lockheed Martin had NASA contracts, which could explain the "NASA" shirt he's wearing.

Seriously, that is one very, very blurry video with zero evidence it is him other than it looks like a million other old guys. That could have been Paul Krugman or Jeff Bridges for all we know in that video.

Someone like her making that conclusive statement is very, very irresponsible.

[edpc]

He was a high roller. That would have most likely been a suite.

Comped, too, if he was a big enough gambler.

[roamer_1]

Based on the pictures I've seen, the one window angle may have been somewhat obstructed by the large concert screen.  The corner window didn't seem to be as much.  Also, the crowd would most likely move directly away from the stage, into his second field of fire.

Alright, I'd say, except two nests. If he got all set up, and was running out of targets, and moved to the secondary, it would have been an ad-hock/impromptu/make do station. He purposefully built two nests.

He's got some hunting experience, so that explains the high perch, but predicting a requirement for two seems odd.

[Applewood]

No, I have a nephew born almost the same date and he looks like a kid.  People look younger than they used to.

True.  Some people don't look their age, but in this case, I think the photo of an older man that is being circulated is him.  Presumably, he was identified from his driver's license photo. 

[TomSea]

Prayers for all of the dead, 58 last count I saw,

515 injured, that's one heckuva high toll also. Over half a thousand.

[Emjay]

Seriously, that is one very, very blurry video with zero evidence it is him other than it looks like a million other old guys. That could have been Paul Krugman or Jeff Bridges for all we know in that video.

Someone like her making that conclusive statement is very, very irresponsible.

Someone in public needs to be cautious but I don't.  That definitely looks like him in the video and I think it will eventually be proven to be him

[edpc]

Alright, I'd say, except two nests. If he got all set up, and was running out of targets, and moved to the secondary, it would have been an ad-hock/impromptu/make do station. He purposefully built two nests.

He's got some hunting experience, so that explains the high perch, but predicting a requirement for two seems odd.

Well, he had been there since last Thursday and the concert was a multi-day event.  He had plenty of time to watch/study entries, exits, crowd movement, and security.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

@roamer_1
He apparently had cameras in the hallway so he probably knew the cops were there.   The cops used explosives to enter the room, something he may not have anticipated.  It might have thrown him off.  If so good, otherwise we'd be hearing complaints about how the cops shot him.

Already at least one news agency said this shooting mimicked the 1966 UT tower shooting in which Charles Whitman gunned down dozens, killing many.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-massacre-recalls-similar-slaughter-texas-clock-tower-shooting.html

No one complained on the police taking him out with one officer unloading his revolver and another with a shotgun.

[truth_seeker]

Dana Perino said moments ago that Paddock was known to LEO......then went to the WH press briefing

That is the most significant item, I have seen yet about him.

[ABX]

Someone in public needs to be cautious but I don't.  That definitely looks like him in the video and I think it will eventually be proven to be him

I just find all the speculation that this was just some hopped up liberal at this point as irresponsible as MSNBC saying this was a Tea Party member or right wing gun nut. We just don't know.

Also, no offense, but I fail to understand how anyone can say with any certainty that the man in the video is the shooter. All you can tell from the blurry video is he is a middle aged or older man with possibly gray hair. That could be a million other people in the area and 50 million people in the country that fits that description.

[Suppressed]

Well, according to Pamela Geller, it was him at the anti-Trump protest.  She added that Lockheed Martin had NASA contracts, which could explain the "NASA" shirt he's wearing.

Wasn't he with Lockheed (not Lockheed Martin) for only 3 years in the 80s?

Pamela Geller isn't what I'd consider a great source.

[txradioguy]

Based on the pictures I've seen, the one window angle may have been somewhat obstructed by the large concert screen.  The corner window didn't seem to be as much.  Also, the crowd would most likely move directly away from the stage, into his second field of fire.

Those days he spent in the room prior to last night would have given him ample time to see the ingress and egress patters of the crowds when the daily concerts were over so as to better know which way the people would head once the gunfire began.

[Suppressed]

Already at least one news agency said this shooting mimicked the 1966 UT tower shooting in which Charles Whitman gunned down dozens, killing many.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-massacre-recalls-similar-slaughter-texas-clock-tower-shooting.html

No one complained on the police taking him out with one officer unloading his revolver and another with a shotgun.

And it was a civilian with a rifle from the CMP that went up the tower, too, and drew the gunman's attention, saving a cop from getting ambushed, IIRC.

[Applewood]

Prayers for all of the dead, 58 last count I saw,

515 injured, that's one heckuva high toll also. Over half a thousand.

Indeed.  Of course, the alphabet networks are proclaiming this as the worst mass shooting tragedy ever in the US.  Don't mind that except that some of these news readers almost sound gleeful when they say it.

[edpc]

Those days he spent in the room prior to last night would have given him ample time to see the ingress and egress patters of the crowds when the daily concerts were over so as to better know which way the people would head once the gunfire began.

Agreed.  I speculated the same a few posts above, #387.

[Suppressed]

A sick evil bastard, I hope he rots in hell.

I hope that at the last minute, he repented and asked for forgiveness by grace.

[txradioguy]

From a friend of mine that lives in Vegas:

One of the Facebook "I'm safe" pages has all kinds of Vegas residents offering shelter & rides as many could not return to their hotel or have family in hospitals now.

I sure hope that gets reported on the news. Too many times the individual acts of human kindness and decency never get covered.

[txradioguy]

Agreed.  I speculated the same a few posts above, #387.

My apologies.  This is a fast moving thread and I'm missing some of the posts.

[chae]

@RAT Patrol

here is the link   https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/vegas-attack-antitrump.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

[ABX]

Indeed.  Of course, the alphabet networks are proclaiming this as the worst mass shooting tragedy ever in the US.  Don't mind that except that some of these news readers almost sound gleeful when they say it.

Which it wasn't. The Colfax Massacre was, but I guess the media doesn't count it because the victims were all African Americans.

Also, let's not forget Wounded Knee.

[edpc]

Already at least one news agency said this shooting mimicked the 1966 UT tower shooting in which Charles Whitman gunned down dozens, killing many.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-massacre-recalls-similar-slaughter-texas-clock-tower-shooting.html

No one complained on the police taking him out with one officer unloading his revolver and another with a shotgun.

Something that is not often discussed in the UT shooting incident was the fact students had rifles in their vehicles and were shooting back.  That kept Whitman occupied, under cover, and unable to shoot more people.

[driftdiver]

Already at least one news agency said this shooting mimicked the 1966 UT tower shooting in which Charles Whitman gunned down dozens, killing many.  http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-massacre-recalls-similar-slaughter-texas-clock-tower-shooting.html

No one complained on the police taking him out with one officer unloading his revolver and another with a shotgun.

@IsailedawayfromFR
A lot of things have changed since 1966.   

[Applewood]

From a friend of mine that lives in Vegas:

I sure hope that gets reported on the news. Too many times the individual acts of human kindness and decency never get covered.

Some of these stories are being reported.  Saw one interview of a man and woman who put some of the injured into the back of their pickup truck and sped them to the hospital.  Other motorists took in those fleeing the venue.  And there are reports of some military using their bodies to shield some of the concertgoers. 

There are still some good people out there.