Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[TomSea]

That's way too out of focus to get anything from it. Not all old guys with gray hair are the same person (and the guy in the video is wearing a pink hat so even more difficult to make any sort of speculation).  I'm sure there are a million people around that area that could potentially fit that description.

Then, also, the woman next to him in some of the pictures, appears to look like his Asian wife. That part makes it a bit interesting and I'd say, per hair and sunglasses, it does look like this Marilou.

[txradioguy]

@txradioguy
Some people have suggested he used a binary trigger.   Those shoot once when you pull and again when you release.    The shooting seems to regular to me.

I've never heard of those.  Time to do some research.

[edpc]

Sixty-four is a bit old for this kind of lunacy.  Isn't it?

My guess is that his target was merely a copycat thing.  He wanted a high victim count.  In the news recently was a bombing at the end of a big concert.  He just copied the idea.

The big question is, what is the root of this rage and need for attention?

Given his age and other currently known facts, the only thing that makes any sense would be a terminally ill person with an axe to grind with the demographic at the event.  But, that's a WAG on my part, trying to make sense of something senseless.

[ABX]

Well this is interesting.

His father was on the FBI most wanted list, bank robber. Escaped prison and was caught, died in prison.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vegas-gunmans-psychopath-dad-landed-on-fbis-most-wanted-list/

 

[jpsb]

Either the picture is creating an optical illusion, or a skewed perspective or the target area is a very long ways away from the hotel. 

Does anyone here know how far that is?  It appears to me to be in the neighborhood of a 1,000 yard shot.  I wish I had paid more attention in High School Geometry....

In order for it to be a 1,000 yard shot the hotel needs to be 994 yards from the music venue.
A^2 + B^2 = C^2
A=320 feet or 107 yards squared = 11449 yards
C=1000 yards squared = 1,000.000 yards
C^2-A^2 = 988552
SQ Root of 988552= 994

But looking at google Earth I'd say the music venue was 200 yards from the hotel so
that makes B=200 yds B^2 is 40,000 yds
40,000 + 11449 = 51449
Sq Root of 51449 is 227 yards so shooter was taking 200+ yards shots. Not at all a hard shot
if you know what you are doing.

[Sanguine]

Could be.  That makes some sense.  Or maybe he just literally went insane.  I just read that his dad was a criminal, too.

I'm not buying this "crazy" thing.  Crazy and evil are two different things and our current culture tends to conflate the two.

[Bigun]

I'm not buying this "crazy" thing.  Crazy and evil are two different things and our current culture tends to conflate the two.

 

[bolobaby]

I'm not buying this "crazy" thing.  Crazy and evil are two different things and our current culture tends to conflate the two.

I agree. Crazy can't plan. Crazy is an impulse.

Evil plans. Evil targets. Evil executes with cold precision.

[truth_seeker]

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

Yeah, so it follows that Austin TX is .......

Wait a minute !!!! Travis County Hillary 66%

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/texas?mcubz=3

(But Clinton won Austin, San Antonio, Houston, Dallas, El Paso, etc. )

[edpc]

In order for it to be a 1,000 yard shot the hotel needs to be 994 yards from the music venue.
A^2 + B^2 = C^2
A=320 feet or 107 yards squared = 11449 yards
C=1000 yards squared = 1,000.000 yards
C^2-A^2 = 988552
SQ Root of 988552= 994

But looking at google Earth I'd say the music venue was 200 yards from the hotel so
that makes B=200 yds B^2 is 40,000 yds
40,000 + 11449 = 51449
Sq Root of 51449 is 227 yards so shooter was taking 200+ yards shots. Not at all a hard shot
if you know what you are doing.

True ballistic range changes at high angles, as well.  There wouldn't be much bullet drop from that position and crowd size makes accuracy less important.  The biggest problem would be dispersion in full auto fire.

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

Amazing how a tragedy like this unmasks the ugliest among us for the ghouls they really are.

@txradioguy

Right?  This isn't even human.  And over politics??

[truth_seeker]

Especially so with a full auto weapon involved. 

This is a highly premeditated event. He spent some time working all this out.

How about a golf bag, to carry the rifles in?

[ABX]

How about a golf bag, to carry the rifles in?

Especially at that hotel where there is a golf course (Bali Hai) across the street. (opposite side of the hotel from the shooting side).

Just speculation at this point but it would be a way to bring a lot of gear in. Just looks like the hundred other guests who are going in and out for some rounds of golf.

[mystery-ak]

Since he was there for awhile I was wondering about if a maid noticed anything in his room...Mandalay spokeperson on Fox has stated employess had been in and out of his room and noticed nothing nefarious..

[Oceander]

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

That's disgusting.

[truth_seeker]

I agree. Crazy can't plan. Crazy is an impulse.

Evil plans. Evil targets. Evil executes with cold precision.

The Unibomber. Ted K

Genius. Killed and maimed many, for years. Evil of course. Crazy? Don't know.

Charles Whitman, Univ. of Texas Tower, planned, executed, brain tumor.

[Bigun]

How about a golf bag, to carry the rifles in?

That would probably work just fine.  Ammo probably carried in a little at a time over some days.

[jpsb]

True ballistic range changes at high angles, as well.  There wouldn't be much bullet drop from that position and crowd size makes accuracy less important.  The biggest problem would be dispersion in full auto fire.

There would still be drop but as you say not as much as with a horizontal shot. I could do the math but it is lunch time, plus I'd need to know the velocity of the bullet which I don't know. All in all it looks like he was shooting fish in a barrel. You get almost instant feed back shooting full auto with a large magazine and if he had tracers every 3rd or 4th round ...... piece of cake.

[roamer_1]

How is it someone can break out a window on the 32nd floor of a hotel ... and no one knows this?  (Sorry if this seems like a silly question .. but it's just bothering me so much)

He shot them out.

How can no one identify the room once the shooting starts?

It'd be the one with the windows shot out.
He also tripped the fire alarm in the room because of all the gun smoke. So they knew right away where he was.

[edpc]

I'm not buying this "crazy" thing.  Crazy and evil are two different things and our current culture tends to conflate the two.

Kevin Spacey's character in Seven summed it up quite well when he said, 'It's more comfortable for you to label me insane.'

People, in general, have a hard time accepting someone with rational and clear thinking could do such a thing.  Mostly, it's due to the fact we view things from our own perspective and cannot imagine ourselves doing the same, unless we were mentally ill.

[txradioguy]

How about a golf bag, to carry the rifles in?

Hard sided suitcases...backpacks...golf bag...depending on the size of the rifle and it's ability to be broken down you can carry a rifle in any of those bags and no one would ever know what I've got.

[driftdiver]

I've never heard of those.  Time to do some research.

@txradioguy
Pretty much the same as the other things already posted.  They function slightly different but are attempts to bypass the law.   I've always shied away from them as I think they are too risk.    And while full auto is fun its not all that useful unless you are in close quarter combat.   

[Silver Pines]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21797/here-are-some-ways-you-can-help-las-vegas-victims-paul-bois?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=092117-news&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

[Applewood]

That is an excellent question.  Everything must have been in a suitcase or as others have said, in a golf bag.

I doubt he would leave his hardware lying around in plain sight.

[txradioguy]

Since he was there for awhile I was wondering about if a maid noticed anything in his room...Mandalay spokeperson on Fox has stated employess had been in and out of his room and noticed nothing nefarious..

Sheriff's office says maids have been in and out of the room...didn't notice anything out of the ordinary.

If it were me...it would all stay hidden in my car in the parking garage until I was ready to execute. 

Also, he very well could have kept everything broken down in suitcases in the closet in the room.  The maids wouldn't have had any reason to open them and see what he really had packed in them.