Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[txradioguy]

How is it someone can break out a window on the 32nd floor of a hotel ... and no one knows this?  (Sorry if this seems like a silly question .. but it's just bothering me so much)

A couple of high powered rifle rounds will are a good start to compromising the integrity of the glass to the point where you can use the butt of the weapon to clear the rest of it out.

How can no one identify the room once the shooting starts?

Muzzle flash is the best way.  But if the shooter doesn't stand directly in the window and backs up a couple feet from the edge to start firing...it reduces the chance of being seen.

From what i've been hearing this morning...the smoke detectors going off in his room is what helped the cops zero in on where he was shooting from.

[Ghost Bear]

Have you been to one of these hotels on the strip?  Do you realize how big they are?  And how noisy?  I think it's miraculous they found him as quickly as they did and got SWAT in place so quickly.  The first cop there can't just charge the room they had to get the right personnel and equipment in place.  What if he would have had enough explosives in the room to kill many in the hotel when detonated?

From the news reports that I heard this morning, the hotel staff were able to tell the police which room he was in because the firearms that he was using put off enough exhaust from being fired to set off the smoke alarm in his room.

[truth_seeker]

NBC News‏Verified account @NBCNews 14m14 minutes ago

BREAKING: FBI says they have determined that there is no connection between the Las Vegas shooter and an international terror group

Gee, that was sure quick.

How come the "Russia," influence thing is taking them sooooooo long?

[Applewood]

Weird thing about Vegas -- at least for me -- is that sometimes it's difficult to perceive distance.  I can look outside my window of a hotel, see a building across the way and think it's close by, then try to walk there and find out it isn't all that close.  Or some things might look far, but in reality, they are much closer than I realize.  I don't know why that is -- just that I've been fooled on more than one occasion. 

[ABX]

Attached is a rough distance calculation from Google Earth of 404 yards, not very far at all. Considering he was shooting down into a crowd of over ten thousand from an elevated position, no special skill would be needed.



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[Applewood]

Gee, that was sure quick.

How come the "Russia," influence thing is taking them sooooooo long?

The report is misleading.  They don't know for sure yet.  The investigation is ongoing.

[LadyLiberty]

Have you been to one of these hotels on the strip?  Do you realize how big they are?  And how noisy?  I think it's miraculous they found him as quickly as they did and got SWAT in place so quickly.  The first cop there can't just charge the room they had to get the right personnel and equipment in place.  What if he would have had enough explosives in the room to kill many in the hotel when detonated?

I read that he was easily found because the smoke from firing the weapon set off the room's smoke alarm.

[txradioguy]

Attached is a rough distance calculation from Google Earth of 404 yards, not very far at all. Considering he was shooting down into a crowd of over ten thousand from an elevated position, no special skill would be needed.

Nope none at all if all you're doing is spraying bullets at a large area target...which is what that crowd was.

[Silver Pines]

She needs to be fired, on the spot, no appeal.

@verga

I won't say what I'm thinking about that piece of irredeemable trash.

[verga]

WOW that was powerful. And not a single rash statement or rush to judgement.

[INVAR]

The FBI is no longer a credible organization. The FBI has become political agent for the uniparty.

AMEN.  I am right there with you on that estimation.

[Suppressed]

I've not seen that Trump is a particular spiritual man, but let me just say,

Well spoken Mr President.

Yes, he got the tone just right.  I like when he's like this.

[driftdiver]

The perspective does seem off, I think it has something to do with how Google is adding 3D buildings which, in this case, appear very small (think about the width of a 4 lane road). When I was there last year, it felt like the buildings were all right close to each other.  You are looking at a few hundred yards, not a few thousand.

This shows a better idea of the building size and how it is practically right on top of the area where the concert is.


Here is Google Street view of the location.

A lot would depend on which room he was actually in but I think he was pretty close to the end.   This morning on Fox they said it was 1000-1200 ft, so 250 to 300 yards.   Difficult with iron sites but then he didn't really have to be very accurate.  His rate of fire would have precluded aimed shots anyway.  Again, didn't matter with the density of the people at the concert.

In my experience everything in Vegas is about this far from everything else.  Going down a block and across the street can be a 1/2 mile of walking.

[Bigun]

Attached is a rough distance calculation from Google Earth of 404 yards, not very far at all. Considering he was shooting down into a crowd of over ten thousand from an elevated position, no special skill would be needed.

Especially so with a full auto weapon involved. 

This is a highly premeditated event. He spent some time working all this out.

[TomSea]

Saying this is footage of him at an anti-Trump rally, so take it with a grain of salt; who knows?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

Again, this is unconfirmed, I don't want to just post speculation, remove if it doesn't seem proper.

[txradioguy]

A lot would depend on which room he was actually in but I think he was pretty close to the end.   This morning on Fox they said it was 1000-1200 ft, so 250 to 300 yards.   Difficult with iron sites but then he didn't really have to be very accurate.  His rate of fire would have precluded aimed shots anyway.  Again, didn't matter with the density of the people at the concert.

In my experience everything in Vegas is about this far from everything else.  Going down a block and across the street can be a 1/2 mile of walking.

The two windows the media keeps showing are on that spur that is just to the left of the McDonalds sign...he had a perfect field of fire down on the crowd from above and behind the stage from one window and then to the right of the stage from the other window.

[CSM]

Attached is a rough distance calculation from Google Earth of 404 yards, not very far at all. Considering he was shooting down into a crowd of over ten thousand from an elevated position, no special skill would be needed.

Very interesting, thank you for doing that research.  400 yards isn't peanuts, but it is much closer than I was thinking.....

[Silver Pines]

So you know for a fact that it was not ISIS? You know for a fact that ISIS claiming it was is a lie? ISIS calling for an attack on the Vegas strip back in May was just a coincidence?

REPORT: Las Vegas Strip ISIS Threats Emerge on Video

@jpsb

You know for a fact it was?  Where's the proof? 

Of course no one is surprised ISIS would want to attack this country.  But it's not logical to assume right off the bat that they're behind every murder/mass killing.  That's conspiracy thinking.  Especially when you discount what the FBI is saying. 

Btw, that site is partially owned by a guy whose last name is Assaad.   

[mystery-ak]

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

[Bigun]

Very interesting, thank you for doing that research.  400 yards isn't peanuts, but it is much closer than I was thinking.....

400 yards from an elevated position at a concentrated target with full auto weapon is a chip shot!

[ABX]

Saying this is footage of him at an anti-Trump rally, so take it with a grain of salt; who knows?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

Again, this is unconfirmed, I don't want to just post speculation, remove if it doesn't seem proper.

That's way too out of focus to get anything from it. Not all old guys with gray hair are the same person (and the guy in the video is wearing a pink hat so even more difficult to make any sort of speculation).  I'm sure there are a million people around that area that could potentially fit that description.

[txradioguy]

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Music Fans Often Are Republican’
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/

@CatherineofAragon

Amazing how a tragedy like this unmasks the ugliest among us for the ghouls they really are.

[Applewood]

Saying this is footage of him at an anti-Trump rally, so take it with a grain of salt; who knows?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzO0lgvQID0

Again, this is unconfirmed, I don't want to just post speculation, remove if it doesn't seem proper.

Hard to tell and even the narrator isn't sure.

[driftdiver]

Listening to the video...close to 30 seconds of sustained fire at one point...deeper sound than 5.56 (more of a "thud thud" than a "crack crack")...so IMHO he either illegally modified semi-auto (single shot) rifles or illegally purchased fully auto weapons and some how got them into the country.

Not even the bionic hand of the Six Million Dollar Man could fire a semi-auto rifle that fast.

@txradioguy
Some people have suggested he used a binary trigger.   Those shoot once when you pull and again when you release.    The shooting seems to regular to me.

[Sanguine]

CBS Legal Exec: No Sympathy For Vegas ‘Because Country Fans Often Are Republican’

https://t.co/DraKcqd4rI

HT: Kurt Schlichter

https://twitter.com/KurtSchlichter/status/914884002053533696


Dear God, what have we become?

That's not "we".