‘Homosexual Conduct Should Be Illegal,’ Roy Moore Said in ‘05 Interview

[XenaLee]

He hasn't wiped out any cities recently.   We're supposed to believe that He destroyed two cities more than 2,000 years ago because of some gays, but yet He's tolerated the Holocaust and all the millions who've been murdered in His name since that time?   

I can see God laughing out loud at the gullibility of man.    

No.  You....obviously.... can't see a damned thing.   Clearly or otherwise.   Sad, that.

[LMAO]

Nope.  As awful as this is, it does not justify the government regulating sexual activity between two consenting adults.

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

@Right_in_Virginia

 

[Chosen Daughter]

   
No it's not.

Nothing binds us to keep Torah, except our love of YHWH. But if we love him, we will keep his commandments.
And no, it's not ok to eat pork. There is no such change. There is no change at all.

@Neverdul

Roamer correct me if I am wrong but I believe you said once you were Messianic Jew?  I have Messianic Jewish friends who also believe this.  Correct me if I said it wrong.  Most Christians I know eat pork.  I do and I believe this is where Jesus showed us it isn't what you eat that defiles you.


Are there any dietary restrictions binding on Christians?


Thanks for your question.

The Lord Jesus Christ totally removed all dietary prohibitions from his followers.

Read what he says in Mark 7:14-19, "Then Jesus called to the crowd to come and hear. "All of you listen," he said, "and try to understand. You are not defiled by what you eat; you are defiled by what you say and do!" Then Jesus went into a house to get away from the crowds, and his disciples asked him what he meant by the statement he had made. "Don't you understand either?" he asked. "Can't you see that what you eat won't defile you? Food doesn't come in contact with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.)" - New Living Translation.

 Note that the text in brackets is Mark's comment on what Jesus said. So, we don't follow the dietary laws in Leviticus because Jesus fulfilled the whole law and told us specifically that all dietary restrictions, by his authority, have been lifted.

I think if you believe you should not eat it you shouldn't.

[Frank Cannon]

No.  You....obviously.... can't see a damned thing.   Clearly or otherwise.   Sad, that.

But he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express though.

[roamer_1]

Roamer correct me if I am wrong but I believe you said once you were Messianic Jew?  I have Messianic Jewish friends who also believe this.  Correct me if I said it wrong. 

No, I am a Christian Messianic... Hebrew Roots in some circles. Closest in thought to Two-House Messianics and perhaps Karaite Messianic Jews. The distiction between me and my Jewish Messianic brethren (sans Karaite) is that they embrace the Jewish Tradition, similar to Christians embracing Christian tradition (of one kind or another). 

Christian Messianic folks embrace *no* traditions of men, preferring the fullness of the Scriptures. The Whole Book.

Most Christians I know eat pork.  I do and I believe this is where Jesus showed us it isn't what you eat that defiles you.

No, I do not believe eating non-kosher foods is right. If YHWH said it's bad for you to eat 2500 BC, what makes it suddenly good to eat in 32 AD?

As to your argument, I will happily reply, but I have been cautioned against a religious argument on the board, so you will have to PM me... Sorry, but I said I would back off... :)

[Chosen Daughter]

It IS normal - for a small portion of the population.   It is how God made some folks.    No amount of 'teaching" will turn a straight person gay - but acceptance will help gays to lead more monogamous, constructive lives.   I support gay marriage because these are the ones who seek to live in a covenant relationship with their partner, away from the promiscuity of the bathhouse lifestyle.

That is not how God made people.  People have weaknesses and the Devil knows what everyone's weaknesses are.  It happened in the Garden of Eden...........sin.

Some people are alcoholics.  Some thiefs, adulterers, liars, drug addicts  Some people have sex addictions of all kinds.  Are you saying that God made pedophiles?  How can that be?  Why would pedophiles be any different?  They are human beings with a perversion same as any sexual perversion.  The only difference is that we still believe in protecting children.  Sadly though there are now people and courts sympathetic to pedophilia.

 https://books.google.com/books?id=lNG_uRwbYKkC&pg=PA78&lpg=PA78&dq=Courts+sympathetic+to+pedophiles&source=bl&ots=H5cKLZHX-u&sig=ojbHeL41jq9HWzBLZ5euQXw_-Ws&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXrc6Y-8bWAhXqxFQKHYqJDZUQ6AEINjAD#v=onepage&q=Courts%20sympathetic%20to%20pedophiles&f=false 

And lets not forget pedophile priests and clergy.  God did not create pedophile or homosexual church either and they will be judged even more stiffly for leading people astray.

Society has normalized a perversion and made people to believe God created perverts.  No, but he gave them over to their sins and they will be judged just like everyone else for the way they have lived.     

[Hoodat]

It happened in the Garden of Eden...........sin.

The story of the Garden is one of the most important parts of the entire Bible.  And the original sin was that man wanted to be independent of G-d.

In the beginning, G-d created a spirit being - Adam/Eve - man and woman.  He gave flesh to the spirit being and then divided the being into man and woman.  He then united the two under His covenant where the two become one again.  This was all part of God's design for us.  And sex was designed as a celebration of that union under that covenant.

I hear quite a few people condemning the homosexual sex act.  But to God, it is no different than any other sex act outside of His covenant.  Sin is sin.  And all of it is a result of us choosing to be independent from G-d.

The purpose of Christ is to bring us back to the Garden in full alignment with God's design for us to be in unconditional relationship with Him just as He loves us unconditionally.  G-d is not a micro-manager.  He gave dominion to us.  It was always part of his plan.  Yet because of sin, we forfeited that dominion.  Yet Christ died for us when we were still sinners so that we could get the keys back.

No matter what affliction one may have - fear, homosexual tendencies, adulterous thoughts, envy, bitterness, etc., God has given us a way to be restored back into the people in the Garden.  God doesn't ever say, "Oooh, I can't believe he/she did that!"  Instead, He is saying the same thing he told Adam after he ate the fruit - "Hey Adam, where are you?  We have relationship here.  Why did you disappear?"

Sin has it's own consequences, which is why G-d doesn't want us to sin.  And while sin can be overcome through grace, the consequences may not.

That's my two cents.

[Chosen Daughter]

Do you think championing putting folks in jail for what they do in the bedroom is an effective Conservative position?

Are you that ignorant of how government works?  You think Roy Moore winning a Senate seat is going to cause people to be put in jail for having homosexual sex in their bedroom?  People are overreacting.  What should be foremost in people's minds is that he won this election overwhelmingly.  I would say people are tired of the downward spiral to the abyss of moral depravity. I see more and more elections moving in this direction.  Why?  Because we have been pushed too far.

[Chosen Daughter]

The story of the Garden is one of the most important parts of the entire Bible.  And the original sin was that man wanted to be independent of G-d.

In the beginning, G-d created a spirit being - Adam/Eve - man and woman.  He gave flesh to the spirit being and then divided the being into man and woman.  He then united the two under His covenant where the two become one again.  This was all part of God's design for us.  And sex was designed as a celebration of that union under that covenant.

I hear quite a few people condemning the homosexual sex act.  But to God, it is no different than any other sex act outside of His covenant.  Sin is sin.  And all of it is a result of us choosing to be independent from G-d.

The purpose of Christ is to bring us back to the Garden in full alignment with God's design for us to be in unconditional relationship with Him just as He loves us unconditionally.  G-d is not a micro-manager.  He gave dominion to us.  It was always part of his plan.  Yet because of sin, we forfeited that dominion.  Yet Christ died for us when we were still sinners so that we could get the keys back.

No matter what affliction one may have - fear, homosexual tendencies, adulterous thoughts, envy, bitterness, etc., God has given us a way to be restored back into the people in the Garden.  God doesn't ever say, "Oooh, I can't believe he/she did that!"  Instead, He is saying the same thing he told Adam after he ate the fruit - "Hey Adam, where are you?  We have relationship here.  Why did you disappear?"

Sin has it's own consequences, which is why G-d doesn't want us to sin.  And while sin can be overcome through grace, the consequences may not.

That's my two cents.

And an excellent two cents it is!  Thank you.  Perfectly stated and true.

[Jazzhead]

Varying degrees of "nuts",  but still "Nuts!"

Is one who observes the Westboro Baptist Church justified in proclaiming that Christians are varying degrees of "nuts", but still "Nuts"?   

Of course not, which illustrates why posts like yours represent, well,  bigotry.   

I know a number of homosexuals who have lived in monogamous,  covenant relationships for years, even decades.  I've known such folks most of my life;  the couple who owned the store next to my father's,  business colleagues,  relatives, friends.   They're not "nuts",  they don't sport dragon tattoos or visit bathhouses for anonymous romps.   They're just - normal folks.   They keep their yards neat, they work hard, they volunteer for charities, they love their dogs and say "good morning" to me when I'm out walking mine. 

It is for these folks that I fight the troglodytes.

I am sick and tired of "Christians" obsessed with dogma and ancient scripture who forget the fundamental message of Christ - to love and uplift your neighbor,  not denounce him as a nut or pervert.  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!    Christ lives only in the hearts of those human beings who accept his healing and constructive message.   I see precious little of that in the brag-fest on this thread.   

[Jazzhead]

That is not how God made people. 

Ah, but it is.  The science is coming around to showing that sexual orientation is something you're born with.  And so I conclude, as a believer in God,  that God made homosexuals of some of us.   

Now what you do with your sexual orientation is indeed a choice.   Some of us marry, cheat and divorce.  Some of us lead monogamous lives with a lifelong partner.  Some of us stay celibate.  Some of us feign celibacy, join the church and make a mockery of its teachings.   

How many of the folks here who denounce my neighbors as perverts have committee adultery,  have divorced rather than stay faithful to a vow made before God? 

How many?   

[INVAR]

They're just - normal folks.   They keep their yards neat, they work hard, they volunteer for charities, they love their dogs and say "good morning" to me when I'm out walking mine. 

It does not matter that you stick your fingers in your ears and keep shouting "They are normal!  They are normal!".

No they are not.  They are perverts and deviants in behavior.

It is for these folks that I fight the troglodytes.

As one of these 'troglodytes' you reference, it is people like you that I fight.  Tyrants who push your perveted shit on us and demand we accept it and cater to it, or be punished by the hand of the state you empower to do your 'fighting' because you're a limp-wristed coward with no balls to fight us yourself.

I am sick and tired of "Christians" obsessed with dogma and ancient scripture who forget the fundamental message of Christ - to love and uplift your neighbor,  not denounce him as a nut or pervert.

But troglodyte is a perfectly acceptable denouncement in your twisted declaration of 'Christianity'.

Well, we're sick and tired of pervert pushers obsessed with shoving deviancy down our throats who willfully have discarded the fundamental principles and foundation of liberty in order to impose the worst sort of tyranny known to mankind: the forced enslavement of conscience using government.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!    Christ lives only in the hearts of those human beings who accept his healing and constructive message.   I see precious little of that in the brag-fest on this thread.   

You hypocrites! Isaiah prophesied correctly about you: ‘These people honor Me with their lips, but their hearts are far from Me'. They worship Me in vain; teaching instead as doctrine the commandments of men.’  - Matthew 15:7-9

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" - Luke 6:46

“If you love me, you will keep my commandments". - John 14:15

'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. - Leviticus 20:13

The One Whom handed down Leviticus 20:13, is the same Jesus you profess to follow, but don't.  John 1: 1-3, 14.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever" - Hebrews 13:8

Eternal death comes for those who practice homosexuality - and for those who push it.  All you are doing is advocating for and pushing for eternal death.

"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God". - I Corinthians 6:9-10

[Jazzhead]

Recite your dogma, blather your hatred of good people, INVAR.   Christ isn't in a book, He's in the heart.   

Your heart is made of stone.   

[INVAR]

Recite your dogma, blather your hatred of good people, INVAR.   Christ isn't in a book, He's in the heart.   

You worship a false Jesus of your imagination.

I just posted what He said from His Word.

You ignore it - to keep your own idea and tradition of what you say is sin and what is acceptable.

You have made yourself god in your own eyes.

Your heart is made of stone.

Says the one who has hardened his heart against the Word of the Lord.

[Mod1]

Closing it down.  Please take the religion arguments elsewhere.