‘Homosexual Conduct Should Be Illegal,’ Roy Moore Said in ‘05 Interview

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

How about shooting heroin?

Shooting heroin? I don't think it should be illegal. Heroin itself... maybe. I'm not a fan of the drug war, or marijuana prohibition, but I wonder about legalizing heroin.

[massadvj]

I don't think saying that homosexuality should be illegal will cost very many votes in Alabama. 

[driftdiver]

I just don't think that the Government should regulate what goes on in the bedroom. Especially between two consenting adults.

@kevindavis
A very popular line to which conservatives haven't had a rational answer beyond, oh yeah or yeah but.

However lets look at it a little deeper.  The Government regulates all kinds of things, in fact they are in control of nearly every facet of our life but lets focus on the 'bedroom'.

The government already -

- defines what attributes a room must have in order to qualify as a bedroom.
- taxes every single thing in the bedroom
- determines the materials used in the bed sitting in the bedroom.  the frame, the sheets, the blanket, the mattress and even the pillows.  They even require manufactures to put little annoying tags on every pillow and every mattress that carry heavy warnings of federal prosecution if removed.
- they already regulate other behavior that takes place in the bedroom.


I could go on but suffice it to say that the federal govt regulates every aspect of our lives.  So in reality the argument that the Government should stay out of our bedrooms is more than a day late and a dollar short. 

The real question is why is the bedroom one of the few places the left DOESN'T want the government to tell us what to do?

[Smokin Joe]

Do you think championing putting folks in jail for what they do in the bedroom is an effective Conservative position?

Let's put it this way. If people aren't being in your face about their bedroom behaviour, there is no cause for complaint.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@kevindavis
A very popular line to which conservatives haven't had a rational answer beyond, oh yeah or yeah but.  However lets look at it a little deeper.  The Government regulates all kinds of things, in fact they are in control of nearly every facet of our life but lets focus on the 'bedroom'.

The government already -

- defines what attributes a room must have in order to qualify as a bedroom.
- taxes every single thing in the bedroom
- determines the materials used in the bed sitting in the bedroom.  the frame, the sheets, the blanket, the mattress and even the pillows.  They even require manufactures to put little annoying tags on every pillow and every mattress that carry heavy warnings of federal prosecution if removed.
- they already regulate other behavior that takes place in the bedroom.

Are you recommending conservatives stand up and argue that the government regulating the sexual activities between two consenting adults is no different than the government regulating the manufacturing of linens?

@driftdiver

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@kevindavis
A very popular line to which conservatives haven't had a rational answer beyond, oh yeah or yeah but.

However lets look at it a little deeper.  The Government regulates all kinds of things, in fact they are in control of nearly every facet of our life but lets focus on the 'bedroom'.

The government already -

- defines what attributes a room must have in order to qualify as a bedroom.
- taxes every single thing in the bedroom
- determines the materials used in the bed sitting in the bedroom.  the frame, the sheets, the blanket, the mattress and even the pillows.  They even require manufactures to put little annoying tags on every pillow and every mattress that carry heavy warnings of federal prosecution if removed.
- they already regulate other behavior that takes place in the bedroom.


I could go on but suffice it to say that the federal govt regulates every aspect of our lives.  So in reality the argument that the Government should stay out of our bedrooms is more than a day late and a dollar short. 

The real question is why is the bedroom one of the few places the left DOESN'T want the government to tell us what to do?

This is incoherent. How does the Government overregulating in some areas mean they should police consenting behavior between adults?

[driftdiver]

Are you recommending conservatives stand up and argue that the government regulating the sexual activities between two consenting adults is no different than the government regulating the manufacturing of linens?

@driftdiver

@Right_in_Virginia
I'm saying the government already regulates everything else in the bedroom so "saying the govt should stay out of the bedroom" is nonsense.

The Word of God says its a sin.  If people choose to go against the word of God a law written by men isn't going to make much difference.   It hasn't in the past several thousand years anyway.

[driftdiver]

This is incoherent. How does the Government overregulating in some areas mean they should police consenting behavior between adults?

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Nothing I said was incorrect.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Nothing I said was incorrect.

Just ridiculous.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia
I'm saying the government already regulates everything else in the bedroom so "saying the govt should stay out of the bedroom" is nonsense. ...

@driftdiver .... Regulating the mechanics of the bedroom itself is not---by any stretch of the imagination--the equivalent of regulating adult human behavior.  I suggest you find a different strategy.

[Smokin Joe]

Are you recommending conservatives stand up and argue that the government regulating the sexual activities between two consenting adults is no different than the government regulating the manufacturing of linens?

@driftdiver

Let me toss out a number. One million, three hundred thousand. That's roughly the number of HIV/AIDS infected known in the USA. Because of the mandatory pre-existing condition coverage offered by Obamacare, that's the trillion dollar price of this behaviour we all get to share, and that number will increase as more are infected and diagnosed. (Really, why did you think the price of insurance went up so much?)

As for linens, in contrast, some 10.5 people per million in the US died of fire (all causes), and if every one of those deaths were in bed, or from sleepwear catching fire, that's under 3500 people a year. Yet the government requires flame retardant fabrics.

[driftdiver]

Just ridiculous.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
How is it ridiculous?   I'm pointing out how ridiculous the argument is.  Perhaps that is what has you so up in arms.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Let me toss out a number. One million, three hundred thousand. That's roughly the number of HIV/AIDS infected known in the USA. Because of the mandatory pre-existing condition coverage offered by Obamacare, that's the trillion dollar price of this behaviour we all get to share, and that number will increase as more are infected and diagnosed. (Really, why did you think the price of insurance went up so much?)

As for linens, in contrast, some 10.5 people per million in the US died of fire (all causes), and if every one of those deaths were in bed, or from sleepwear catching fire, that's under 3500 people a year. Yet the government requires flame retardant fabrics.

Nope.  As awful as this is, it does not justify the government regulating sexual activity between two consenting adults.

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

Edited to add:  This intrusive POV is a large part of the reason why conservatives cannot gain national traction.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

Disappointed but not surprised. One reason I am proudly no longer a conservative.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver .... Regulating the mechanics of the bedroom itself is not---by any stretch of the imagination--the equivalent of regulating adult human behavior.  I suggest you find a different strategy.

@Right_in_Virginia
I suggest you find a different argument to justify why homosexual behavior should be legal.  Especially since its not constrained to just the bedroom.

[driftdiver]

Nope.  As awful as this is, it does not justify the government regulating sexual activity between two consenting adults.

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

@Right_in_Virginia
So in your view the government should not regulate sexual activity between family members who are adults?

[Smokin Joe]

Nope.  As awful as this is, it does not justify the government regulating sexual activity between two consenting adults.

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

Just keep it in the bedroom and who would bother to pursue it? Instead, the 'love that dare not speak' has become the one that just won't shut up.

[RoosGirl]

Are you recommending conservatives stand up and argue that the government regulating the sexual activities between two consenting adults is no different than the government regulating the manufacturing of linens?

@driftdiver

Actually, when you look at it objectively, it's not any different.  What is the supposed purpose for the regulations on the manufacturing of bedding?  Safety.  Some sexual activities can certainly be deadly.  So why not approach it from that viewpoint?  Except that emotional people don't want to listen to reasoning for why they should not engage in certain activities.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Just keep it in the bedroom and who would bother to pursue it? Instead, the 'love that dare not speak' has become the one that just won't shut up.

You gonna put people in jail for holding hands or kissing? A "small government" conservative!

What a joke.

[driftdiver]

Nope.  As awful as this is, it does not justify the government regulating sexual activity between two consenting adults.

I'm disappointed small government, constitutional conservatives do not recognize this.

Edited to add:  This intrusive POV is a large part of the reason why conservatives cannot gain national traction.

@Right_in_Virginia
So the 2% of our population that is homosexual who are significantly liberal to start with, aren't voting conservative because of this issue?

Reeaaally?

[driftdiver]

You gonna put people in jail for holding hands or kissing? A "small government" conservative!

What a joke.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure
Never said I would, in fact I said that if people are willing to ignore Gods Word on the subject then what good would a law do.

What I did say is the argument that the Govt should stay out of the bedroom is an indefensible & weak argument.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia
I suggest you find a different argument to justify why homosexual behavior should be legal.  Especially since its not constrained to just the bedroom.

@driftdiver

If you want to continue to support and advocate for a government intruding into and regulating consensual adult sexual relations ... I suggest you stop asking why conservatives are falling deeper and deeper into the dustbin of political irrelevance.

[txradioguy]

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

What I did say is the argument that the Govt should stay out of the bedroom is an indefensible & weak argument.

If you say so. Most people would agree with me.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Actually, when you look at it objectively, it's not any different. 

Yes, yes it is. 

If conservatives would stick to small government and get the hell out of regulating sex ... maybe, just maybe voters would take your opinions seriously.