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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2017, 02:11:29 am »
Quote from: Oceander on September 26, 2017, 01:15:37 am
Time to start taking away all the tax bennies these people live off of.  Once the teams have to pay full freight for their stadiums and everything else, those precious salaries will take more than a little haircut.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2017, 02:12:09 am »
Quote from: mystery-ak on September 26, 2017, 12:31:56 am
That is what his coach argued...Vilanueva should have stayed with his first instinct...

When your Super Bowl-winning QB writes that "I couldn't sleep...laid awake all night thinking the team was wrong staying in the locker room", etc.,

...any miscue and sloppy play will be blamed on Villanueva.

IMO, THAT'S why he came out and said this.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2017, 02:13:17 am »
Quote from: goatprairie on September 26, 2017, 12:45:35 am
It was still a political statement.  They absolutely didn't have to take a knee for anything.  They think this somehow gets around not kneeling for the NA. It doesn't.  They were still making a political statement.

Trying to please two masters? Good luck with that.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2017, 02:26:34 am »
Who gets hosed in this whole thing, is Coach Mike Tomlin, one of the most successful African-American coaches the NFL has had. A bit ironic.

And yes, I'm sure he failed to manage this situation well... cooked up by some guy 1600 miles away on the West coast but he has to deal with it. That's what upsets me a bit about this.

Tomlin all this year, I always see him wearing a cross around his neck, on display.. so that is a positive for me.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2017, 02:27:42 am »
Quote from: TomSea on September 26, 2017, 02:26:34 am
Who gets hosed in this whole thing, is Coach Mike Tomlin, one of the most successful African-American coaches the NFL has had. A bit ironic.

And yes, I'm sure he failed to manage this situation well... cooked up by some guy 1600 miles away on the West coast but he has to deal with it. That's what upsets me a bit about this.

Tomlin all this year, I always see him wearing a cross around his neck, on display.. so that is a positive for me.

His actions speak louder than his jewelry....
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2017, 02:27:51 am »
The specific NFL rule pertaining to the National Anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. ... “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition... ...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” Time to fire the disrespectful players!!! FIRE THAT DISRESPECTFUL ARROGANT CE-No and all the thugs who do the disrespectful acts......BOYCOTT the NFL & NBA and all the sponsors do not buy a damn thing !
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2017, 02:32:33 am »
Quote from: Mom MD on September 26, 2017, 02:27:42 am
His actions speak louder than his jewelry....

Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.

They ought to make a bumpersticker.

And no, I don't know what is in a man's heart; what if he's done a lot of good charitable work? I would not be so quick to judge and that's pretty condescending to just call a cross "jewelry".
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2017, 02:34:10 am »
Baseball plays 162 games a year, what a circus if they have to start having to deal with this. The players are so far from the stands, I don't know if I'd even take notice.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2017, 02:35:17 am »
Quote from: TomSea on September 26, 2017, 02:32:33 am
Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven.

They ought to make a bumpersticker.

Absolutely, me as well.  But when wearing a cross one should be mindful of ones actions.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2017, 02:38:06 am »
Quote from: Mom MD on September 26, 2017, 02:27:42 am
His actions speak louder than his jewelry....

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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2017, 02:43:48 am »
Vilianueva accidentally got pushed out of the tunnel because of some Chicago Bears fans going by on the field. Other Steelers remained in the tunnel, see picture.  Tomlin said they wanted to stay away from controversy.



For all we know, Tomlin may have done more charitable work than any of us, so to ridicule his Christianity and the cross as "jewelry" I disagree with.

He is a human being and he was presented with an idiotic situation that he should not have been dealing with in the first place.

I don't think folks are commenting on all facts available and I'm not going to rush to judgement.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2017, 02:45:05 am »
Quote from: Mom MD on September 26, 2017, 02:35:17 am
Absolutely, me as well.  But when wearing a cross one should be mindful of ones actions.

Well, I thought the cross was just "jewelry", so I agree with your statement, I think.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2017, 02:54:03 am »
Quote from: RetBobbyMI on September 26, 2017, 02:27:51 am
The specific NFL rule pertaining to the National Anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook.

Nope.  It's not in the NFL Rulebook.

That quote is from the game operations manual.

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/
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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2017, 02:57:14 am »
I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase.  His top selling status will be very short lived.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2017, 03:04:37 am »
"I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase.  His top selling status will be very short lived."

Despite our calling these NFLers millionaires which they may well be, they only have an average career of 3 and a half years or something like that. Again, I don't expect people to be perfect; oh the great sin of this Alejandro Villanueva and he did serve in Afghanistan after all.  His act still stands.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2017, 03:07:34 am »
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Nope.  It's not in the NFL Rulebook.

That quote is from the game operations manual.

http://time.com/4955704/nfl-league-rulebook-a62-63-national-anthem-rule/

It still sounds like that NFL game operations manual could carry some weight though; if discipline is an issue.  I saw some article on that as well.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2017, 03:15:57 am »
If, IF, the team decided not to participate because some were going to protest and some were not, and they wanted to maintain team unity and/or not bring politics into the game, then maybe he did the "wrong" thing, making it look like his team was protesting when all they were really doing was trying to stay the heck out of it all.

But then I've got a few tours to serve before I criticize his choice.
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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2017, 03:24:21 am »
Quote from: TomSea on September 26, 2017, 03:04:37 am
"I hope all those Villanueva jersey buyers find out and return their purchase.  His top selling status will be very short lived."

Despite our calling these NFLers millionaires which they may well be, they only have an average career of 3 and a half years or something like that. Again, I don't expect people to be perfect; oh the great sin of this Alejandro Villanueva and he did serve in Afghanistan after all.  His act still stands.

I thank him for his military service.  But if I had bought his jersey yesterday, you can bet I would return it.  It's not a charity.  People were buying his jersey BECAUSE he stood for the National Anthem.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2017, 03:26:03 am »
Quote from: TomSea on September 26, 2017, 02:45:05 am
Well, I thought the cross was just "jewelry", so I agree with your statement, I think.


Let me clarify.  A lot of people wear crosses for a lot of reasons, not necessarily Christian ones.  I have seen gangsters and rappers wearing crosses because it was fashionable not because they are even remotely Christian.  Same with Bill Clinton carrying the biggest Bible he could find when he was in trouble.  So while I appreciate someone wearing a cross, their actions are an important clue to what it really means to them. Conversly as a Christian who wears a cross it is incumbent on me to not let my actions dishonor the One whos symbol I wear.  Am I perfect at it?  Of course not.  But we are ultimately judged by our actions not the symbols we wear.  And unfortunately Christianity is often judged by the actions of those wearing its symbol. 
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2017, 04:28:31 am »
Usually, I would not post Bible verses but if someone likens the cross to jewelry, I remember the words of Paul:

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For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
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That is how I see the cross, as salvation, hardly as jewelry.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2017, 04:42:23 am »
I watched some of Villanueva press conference.  Actually, he was there only to give a statement and it sounded to me like it was coerced.  The poor guy was talking rapidly,  as if he had been given all these talking points and he was trying to be sure he remembered them all.

Seems to me these statements/press conferences were all damage control. Unfortunately, it didn't work, IMO.  Trying to avoid the controversy?  Nah.  They were cowards.  Villanueva was the only brave one of the bunch and he has been made to look like the coward.   He has nothing to be ashamed of, but the rest of the team, the coaches and the owners do. 

Speaking of owners, I saw Art Rooney II's statement, and all I could think of was that the old man, Art Rooney, Sr. wouldn't have put up with this cr@p.  If he were around today, those players would have been on the field, standing for the anthem.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2017, 10:18:29 am »
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There goes his jersey sales... :whistle:
Monday they said his Jersey salws went through the roof, I wonder how many will be canceled or returned.
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Re: Steelers Alejandro Villanueva: ‘I Threw My Teammates Under The Bus Unintentionally’
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2017, 10:45:00 am »
Quote from: verga on September 26, 2017, 10:18:29 am
Monday they said his Jersey salws went through the roof, I wonder how many will be canceled or returned.

If there is fallout, Villanueva doesn't deserve it. 
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2017, 10:53:53 am »
Quote from: dfwgator on September 26, 2017, 02:07:01 am
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How did he make the trip from "anybody on the team who kneels will be gone" to kneeling himself?  That's a long journey.  What the hell?
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