Trump would sign Graham-Cassidy repeal bill.

[txradioguy]

That's a lie and you know it. This is just childish, petulant game-playing that ensures people like me who want to opt-out of this mess of a health care system can't without Uncle Sam taking his pound of flesh anyway.

You won't be able to opt out under the new "fix".  Even when Cruz tried to get that amendment added the last go round McConnell made sure it wasn't added the way Cruz intended....he changed the wording.

    Make no mistake – Graham/Cassidy keeps ObamaCare funding and regulations in place.  Oh, it rearranges the furniture a bit, changes some names, and otherwise masks what is really going on – a redistribution of ObamaCare taxes and a new Republican entitlement program, funded nearly as extravagantly as ObamaCare.
    Graham/Cassidy doesn’t repeal a single ObamaCare insurance regulation.  All of the Title 1 rules, the Essential Health Benefit rules, all of them - they’re still in place here.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/09/18/sen-rand-paul-grahamcassidy-does-not-repeal-obamacare-and-oppose-it.html

[jmyrlefuller]

Senator Paul is lying to promote his own bill and his own career, just like his daddy did with his stunts.

[Jazzhead]

They don't have single payer yet...but Republicans are sure trying to help them get there.

Well, Rand Paul sure is. 

[txradioguy]

Well, Rand Paul sure is.

No he's not.  Show me a quote where Senator Paul has said "I support single payer".

You can't.


If anything it's Trump that called for Single payer during the campaign.

[txradioguy]

Senator Paul is lying to promote his own bill and his own career, just like his daddy did with his stunts.

You've got proof that he's lying?  Show us.

[RoosGirl]

Some further info, if we can believe them:

http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/graham-cassidy-health-care-bill-what-you-need-to-know/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/09/19/graham-cassidy-health-care-bill/681029001/

[Jazzhead]

No he's not.  Show me a quote where Senator Paul has said "I support single payer".

You can't.

Actions have consequences.  If Paul's showboating is the difference that keeps the GOP caucus from reforming O-Care under budget reconciliation rules,  then O-Care will remain, and the existential crisis facing O-Care will lead inevitably to single payer.   

[RoosGirl]

You've got proof that he's lying?  Show us.

You know that is just an altered version of if you didn't vote for Trump you voted for Hillary.  It's the same non-logic.

[Applewood]

Obama care repeal is ENTIRELY in the hands of Congress. All Trump can do is sign repeal legislation. Don't blame Trump for the liars in Congress.

I blame him for not insisting on the repeal we voters were promised by Republicans -- particularly, him. That he has indicated willingness to sign any POS legislation that comes to his desk means he lied to the voters too. 

[XenaLee]

Obama care repeal is ENTIRELY in the hands of Congress. All Trump can do is sign repeal legislation. Don't blame Trump for the liars in Congress.

Yeah....sure.   What you're really saying is..... don't blame Trump....

for ANY thing.  Right?

[txradioguy]

You know that is just an altered version of if you didn't vote for Trump you voted for Hillary.  It's the same non-logic.

Yup it sure is.  I guess we can expect 3 more years of this kind of BS whenever there is a Dem-lite bill the GOP wants to pass and Conservatives oppose it.

[XenaLee]

No he's not.  Show me a quote where Senator Paul has said "I support single payer".

You can't.


If anything it's Trump that called for Single payer during the campaign.

They're calling Rand a liar, Congress liars, and of course they bash and blame Ted Cruz....

when the one they should be blaming and calling a liar is their hero, Herr Drumpf.  He's the one that promised the voters all those "great deals" he would make.  He can't even make deals with his own party.  But deals with Democrats?  Check.  It's laughable how their damage control bias is turned on full-tilt 24/7....

cause it HAS to be.

[jmyrlefuller]

You know that is just an altered version of if you didn't vote for Trump you voted for Hillary.  It's the same non-logic.

I've already debunked this.

There was no default choice in that election. You could have chosen any of many options or not voted at all.

But there are indeed only two ways to vote on this: yes, or no. (Well, you could vote present, but nobody's advocating that.)

Vote yes, and we make progress toward our goal.

Vote no, and Obamacare stays in place. That is a guarantee. No government program dies on its own.

Obamacare repeal is not on the table right now, and until we get more conservatives in the Senate, it NEVER WILL BE. Nobody is saying this is good enough. Nobody is saying that this the end-all and be-all. It is a STEP, in the face of a hostile Washington lobby, toward a return to freedom.

One other thing: the No Never Caucus would like to have you believe that if we vote yes, there's no way any further progress will be made. Well, if the vote goes no, what makes you think that even greater repeal is ever going to happen?

[Smokin Joe]

It's replacing an open-ended entitlement with block grants.   That would be an important conservative victory - and would open up budget room to accomplish meaningful tax reform.   

So many folks are still up in arms because the Congress can't do the impossible - muster a majority for a clean repeal.   But in the real world, that position is a proxy for retaining the ObamaCare entitlement.

THE (promised) important Conservative Victory is to repeal the unConstitutional ACA. PERIOD. Anything less is capitulation, not victory.

We were promised repeal. No less than full repeal is adequate.

[RoosGirl]

I've already debunked this.

There was no default choice in that election. You could have chosen any of many options or not voted at all.

But there are indeed only two ways to vote on this: yes, or no. (Well, you could vote present, but nobody's advocating that.)

Vote yes, and we make progress toward our goal.

Vote no, and Obamacare stays in place. That is a guarantee. No government program dies on its own.

Obamacare repeal is not on the table right now, and until we get more conservatives in the Senate, it NEVER WILL BE. Nobody is saying this is good enough. Nobody is saying that this the end-all and be-all. It is a STEP, in the face of a hostile Washington lobby, toward a return to freedom.

One other thing: the No Never Caucus would like to have you believe that if we vote yes, there's no way any further progress will be made. Well, if the vote goes no, what makes you think that even greater repeal is ever going to happen?

See, I don't think I Yes vote or  No vote makes a hill of beans difference.  At least a No vote has some principle behind it instead of a Yes vote that shuffles the shells.

[Jazzhead]

THE (promised) important Conservative Victory is to repeal the unConstitutional ACA. PERIOD. Anything less is capitulation, not victory.

We were promised repeal. No less than full repeal is adequate.

 

The perfect is the enemy of the good.  Jonah Goldberg wrote this morning that Rand Paul "has mastered the art of supporting the status quo by voting against piecemeal improvements in the name of purity."

He's a fool, pure and simple - and the rest of us will suffer for his foolishness.   

[jmyrlefuller]

See, I don't think I Yes vote or  No vote makes a hill of beans difference.  At least a No vote has some principle behind it instead of a Yes vote that shuffles the shells.

Yes, the principle that Obamacare is just fine and dandy, a vote that aligns oneself with Chuck Schumer. That's your principle.

[RoosGirl]

Yes, the principle that Obamacare is just fine and dandy, a vote that aligns oneself with Chuck Schumer. That's your principle.

And it rests the blame solely where it belongs, on the Democrats for passing the damned thing in the first place.

[Free Vulcan]

The bill seems a wash to me, the big question is how much leeway do the states have? If they can make some of their own decisions they might help to bring down costs and set up a better system.

It's not a repeal, not even really a fix, just a slight improvement over the current system. Whether it will fly fiscally I do not know.

[roamer_1]

Do you think the Democrats got single-payer in one fell swoop? Surely you, much older than I, are not THAT naive!

YEAH, In fact they did.

[jmyrlefuller]

YEAH, In fact they did.

Now I've read everything. 

[roamer_1]

Supporting this bill may not repeal Obamacare outright, but opposing it leaves it all intact. I wish some of you would understand that.

Intact for another quarter, before it collapses. And I will take the collapse as a better option than a half fix by the supposed 'opposition', who should be hell bent to tear it out by the roots.

[roamer_1]

That's a lie and you know it. This is just childish, petulant game-playing that ensures people like me who want to opt-out of this mess of a health care system can't without Uncle Sam taking his pound of flesh anyway.

Bullshit.
You won;t be able to 'opt out' of the fix any better. Watch and see.

[roamer_1]

Obama care repeal is ENTIRELY in the hands of Congress. All Trump can do is sign repeal legislation. Don't blame Trump for the liars in Congress.

BULL. They're ALL guilty as the next. Including Trump.

[XenaLee]

Intact for another quarter, before it collapses. And I will take the collapse as a better option than a half fix by the supposed 'opposition', who should be hell bent to tear it out by the roots.

At this point.... the best option for the GOP is to let the damned thing collapse.... and then repeal is a given, logically.  And hell.... as we already know.... the GOP is going to get the blame now for whatever happens anyway with ObieCare.... whether they pass anything or whether they don't pass anything.  They might as well let it fail as it was always supposed to do.... and 'then' repeal should be a done deal.  They could enact an emergency funding bill to cover all of those folks that are left hanging.... since taxpayers are going to be paying out the azz for those people ANYWAY.