Tidal wave of support for Colorado baker hits Supreme Court

[Free Vulcan]

No halal butcher has pork on his menu of services.   The baker says he offers wedding cakes.   

Say what you mean and mean what you say.   That isn't a Christian concept?

And no baker says he has gay wedding cakes on his menu of services. Just like a halal butcher doesn't have pork on his. One makes wedding cakes, one sells meat.

You're mixing and matching general and specific as it pleases you to suit your definitions and beliefs.

[Sanguine]

No halal butcher has pork on his menu of services.   The baker says he offers wedding cakes.   

Say what you mean and mean what you say.   That isn't a Christian concept?

That's easy - for a Christian baker that would mean weddings are between a man and a woman, just as for a halal butcher meat for food would be from a cloven-hoofed ruminant.  It's very clear.

[RoosGirl]

No halal butcher has pork on his menu of services.   The baker says he offers wedding cakes.   

Say what you mean and mean what you say.   That isn't a Christian concept?

There is no way you are a real person that believes this.  This is a person sitting behind their computer and laughing their ass off at those of us stupid enough to respond to this level of troll.

[Wingnut]

There is no way you are a real person that believes this.  This is a person sitting behind their computer and laughing their ass off at those of us stupid enough to respond to this level of troll.

As far as trolls go...They must keep him around for entertainment value.   

[Jazzhead]

There is no way you are a real person that believes this.  This is a person sitting behind their computer and laughing their ass off at those of us stupid enough to respond to this level of troll.

So expressing the view that one should honor what he advertises to provide is trolling? 

There is pretzel logic galore in this thread, but it's not coming from me.   

[Cyber Liberty]

There is no way you are a real person that believes this.  This is a person sitting behind their computer and laughing their ass off at those of us stupid enough to respond to this level of troll.

He sets inaccurate expectations of what a "Christian" believes, then forces everybody to live up to them.  If they fail, he screams "hypocrite!!!"  Which Alinsky rule is that?  I forget....

[INVAR]

No halal butcher has pork on his menu of services.   The baker says he offers wedding cakes.   

Say what you mean and mean what you say.   That isn't a Christian concept?

No Christian baker has homosexual "Wedding cakes" on his menu of services. 

As usual - you go to bat for Muslims and seek to impose your perversion on Christians.

[Cyber Liberty]

So expressing the view that one should honor what he advertises to provide is trolling? 

There is pretzel logic galore in this thread, but it's not coming from me.   

You are deliberately misinterpreting what is being advertised, talk about pretzel logic. 

[Free Vulcan]

So expressing the view that one should honor what he advertises to provide is trolling? 

There is pretzel logic galore in this thread, but it's not coming from me.   

Not at all. You are ok with a Muslim selling only halal meat. He advertises as halal and operates accordingly.

You should then be fine with a baker advertising that he/she only does cakes for biblical weddings, as long as they state that up front.

[Jazzhead]

Not at all. You are ok with a Muslim selling only halal meat. He advertises as halal and operates accordingly.

You should then be fine with a baker advertising that he/she only does cakes for biblical weddings, as long as they state that up front.

Yes, that would be fine with me.   

[roamer_1]

"Private transactions between citizens" are not at issue here, but rather commercial transactions, in the stream of interstate commerce.   The Constitution most certainly permits the peoples' elected representatives to pass laws that regulate such commerce, and curb your "freedom" to cheat, lie or discriminate with respect to such dealings.

NO IT DOES NOT. Total bullshit. The federal government has absolutely no such authority and is in FACT creating bias against religious people (Judeo-Christians particularly) under the color of law.

The various STATES can arguably have that authority, but *NOT* your socialist federal behemoth.

[Free Vulcan]

Yes, that would be fine with me.

But the govt and the liberals don't see it that way. They allow one but not the other, favor this group but not that, promote one belief and morality over the other. Practice selective equality and hide behind the 14th, as if it is superior to all other amendments, which they can't enforce equally to start with.

[roamer_1]

You're right.  More people have died in the name of God than any other reason.   Maybe it's time to wake up and realize the foolishness and destructiveness of man's obsession with religious tribalism.

 

That is actually bullshit too. go research it. In the last hundred years, more people died from communism (which you espouse) and dictatorships than anything else - and in second place, infants murdered in the womb.

[GtHawk]

That is actually bullshit too. go research it. In the last hundred years, more people died from communism (which you espouse) and dictatorships than anything else - and in second place, infants murdered in the womb.

I have dropped by here occasionally and the only thing I see is a certain commenter that is 

If everyone just I think the thread would collapse.

[Smokin Joe]

I don't hate Christians.  I don't care much for bigots, though.

The only bigotry I see is being aimed at someone who has specific deep beliefs related to their relationship with their deity.

The baker had served gay people in the shop before, as I am led to understand, so it wasn't a bigotry against gays.
However, the idea that two people in a same sex union is the equivalent of the sacrament of Holy Matrimony, doesn't make the grade with Bible believing Christians, and to create a wedding cake for such an event to celebrate it doesn't either.
No bigotry, just a desire to NOT create something, based on a deeply held religious belief.

[Smokin Joe]

No halal butcher has pork on his menu of services.   The baker says he offers wedding cakes.   

Say what you mean and mean what you say.   That isn't a Christian concept?

But you have left out that a devout Bible believing Christian will not see a civil union between two people of the same sex as a "wedding".

Would you require him to bake a "wedding cake" if someone was marrying their dog?

[Smokin Joe]

So expressing the view that one should honor what he advertises to provide is trolling? 

There is pretzel logic galore in this thread, but it's not coming from me.   

Did the baker say they made Gay Wedding Cakes? Nope.

[INVAR]

But you have left out that a devout Bible believing Christian will not see a civil union between two people of the same sex as a "wedding".

Would you require him to bake a "wedding cake" if someone was marrying their dog?

You know the answer to that.

Today he will say the idea is ludicrous.

Tomorrow he will argue that refusing to do so is bigotry and criminal.

It is what they do.

[roamer_1]

Get back to me when your halal butcher sells pork chops.

Damn right.

[Mom MD]

Did the baker say they made Gay Wedding Cakes? Nope.

I have purchased items from this bakery. They are excellent!  And he has the courage of his convictions.  I hope he wins big.

[Jazzhead]

NO IT DOES NOT. Total bullshit. The federal government has absolutely no such authority and is in FACT creating bias against religious people (Judeo-Christians particularly) under the color of law.

The various STATES can arguably have that authority, but *NOT* your socialist federal behemoth.

Sexual orientation as a protected classification, by and large, remains a function of state or local law.   That's certainly the case with respect to discrimination in the conduct of a public accommodation.   The Colorado baker ran afoul of local nondiscrimination rules, not those of the "socialist federal behemoth". 

[Wingnut]

I have purchased items from this bakery. They are excellent!  And he has the courage of his convictions.  I hope he wins big.

I hope his business is doing well.  The brainwashed followers of the Gay and BLT agenda are a vindictive lot and draw the weak minded into their web of deceit.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

"Private transactions between citizens" are not at issue here, but rather commercial transactions, in the stream of interstate commerce.   The Constitution most certainly permits the peoples' elected representatives to pass laws that regulate such commerce, and curb your "freedom" to cheat, lie or discriminate with respect to such dealings.

how in the hell did you contort selling a cake to being interstate commerce?

Talk about absolute bullcrap

[Jazzhead]

But you have left out that a devout Bible believing Christian will not see a civil union between two people of the same sex as a "wedding".

Would you require him to bake a "wedding cake" if someone was marrying their dog?

The customer has no knowledge of the baker's peculiar religious beliefs. All he/she knows is that he advertises to sell wedding cakes.  Not all weddings are religious in nature (I suspect that most aren't).   He/she enters the shop, and is arbitrarily turned away.  Why should the baker's "religious freedom" be a license to discriminate?   

[Jazzhead]

I have purchased items from this bakery. They are excellent!  And he has the courage of his convictions.  I hope he wins big.

I hope he loses, and the plaintiffs are awarded the sum of one dollar.