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Attorney General Jeff Sessions welcomed the restoration of the practice of asset forfeiture Friday in a speech at a law enforcement conference in Alabama.

"I love that program," Sessions said. "We had so much fun doing that, taking drug dealers' money and passing it out to people trying to put drug dealers in jail. What's wrong with that?".....

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sessions-welcomes-expansion-of-asset-forfeiture-i-love-that-program/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab6a&linkId=41736836



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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2017, 01:12:12 am »
"What's wrong with that?"

Everything is wrong with it.  Our Framers would be appalled at this guy.

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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2017, 01:20:04 am »
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"And I know you'll do it in an honorable and effective way and not abuse the system," Sessions added.

wink wink nudge nudge

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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2017, 02:11:24 am »
Upon conviction? Maybe. (That just might be incentive to fabricate evidence so innocent parties lose their stuff.)

With neither charges nor conviction? Hell no.
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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2017, 02:11:41 am »
"I love that program," Sessions said. "We had so much fun doing that, taking drug dealers' money and passing it out to people trying to put drug dealers in jail. What's wrong with that?"

Because it 'aint just the drug dealers that end up being robbed under the color of law without due process you freaking tyrannical moron!

You turn cops into Highwaymen and then anything they want for themselves is "legal" for them to take; houses, boats, cars, collectibles.... whatever they want and no warrant required and no charges have to be filed.

I loathe Sessions more than Obama.
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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2017, 02:46:13 pm »
This is why I want Sessions gone.. Not because of the Russian investigation. To me asset forfeiture is very bad. Especially if the accused is innocent. 
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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2017, 06:15:58 pm »
This is why I want Sessions gone.. Not because of the Russian investigation. To me asset forfeiture is very bad. Especially if the accused is innocent.
As practiced, asset forfeiture is the presumption that an object has committed a crime, and is thus fair game. There is no Due Process, no accusation of crime, only an obvious possibility of larceny by the very people who are supposed to be guarding our rights. Violations of the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 14th Amendments abound.
In order to recover the seized property, the owner has to prove innocence, in demonstrating that the property seized was not used in, nor the fruits of, criminal activity, yet another perversion of the justice system. It is demonstrably far more difficult to prove a negative, and the cost of doing so (if possible) commonly exceeds the value of the assets taken, such cost able to be manipulated by the seizing authority through continuances and motions until the resources of the person seeking their property back are exhausted.

The system is patently unfair, and invites the guardians of Liberty and those entrusted to uphold the Law and keep the Peace to become little more than highwaymen.

If someone is found guilty of a crime under due process, then assets can be seized, constitutionally, and frozen while the matter is adjudicated (bad enough, as the accused might need those assets to provide a defense, but far closer to the spirit of the Bill of Rights and Due Process).
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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2017, 06:44:40 pm »
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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2017, 07:19:49 pm »
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This is why I want Sessions gone.. Not because of the Russian investigation. To me asset forfeiture is very bad. Especially if the accused is innocent.

I agree almost wholeheartedly.  I would point out that the accused is always innocent until proven guilty--which makes all cases of CAF immeasurably hideous.

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Re: Sessions welcomes restoration of asset forfeiture: "I love that program"
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2017, 07:47:06 pm »
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I agree almost wholeheartedly.  I would point out that the accused is always innocent until proven guilty--which makes all cases of CAF immeasurably hideous.
Precisely. Accusing someone's possessions of a crime and presuming them to be guilty makes a mockery of Due Process.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis