Replacing Columbus Day with Indigenous Peoples Day is a long overdue victory for civil rights

[mystery-ak]

Robin Abcarian

Twenty five years ago, ahead of its time as usual, the city of Berkeley renamed Columbus Day as Indigenous Peoples Day.

Los Angeles, what took you so long?

This week, despite heartfelt pleas by some Italian-Americans to preserve the annual commemoration of Christopher Columbus, who was born in Genoa, the council did what can only be described as the right thing: It copied Berkeley.

Henceforth in Los Angeles, there will be no day devoted solely to the achievements of Columbus, who was both the discoverer of the New World and the catalyst for the destruction of Native American people and their cultures in the centuries that followed.

Instead, as my colleague David Zahniser has reported, the city will celebrate Indigenous Peoples Day on the second Monday of October (coinciding with the federal Columbus Day holiday).

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http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-indigenous-peoples-20170901-story.html

[RoosGirl]

There must be a whole ton load of civil rights problems if "they" are concerned about Columbus Day.

[XenaLee]

What's next?  Replace Labor Day with Loafers Day?  I mean...the term "Labor" might be offending all of those folks (what is it now, a third of Americans still?) that don't actually work for their subsistence/living, courtesy of Uncle Santa/Sam and, by proxy, the US Taxpayers.

[Wingnut]

What's next?  Replace Labor Day with Loafers Day?  I mean...the term "Labor" might be offending all of those folks (what is it now, a third of Americans still?) that don't actually work for their subsistence/living, courtesy of Uncle Santa/Sam and, by proxy, the US Taxpayers.

I like it "Loafers day" 

[mountaineer]

Columbus, who was both the discoverer of the New World and the catalyst for the destruction of Native American people and their cultures

Yes, that's how he presented it to the queen when he was asking for funding (actual transcript): "Hey, Queen, I have a great idea for destroying some of them there indigenous peoples over in them West Indies er Merica er whatever it's called. I'll sail westward from Italy and then hit some land where them critters are runnin' around half nekkid. What the hey! We can import some of our diseases and sgetti sauce and mozzarella, and what not, and afore you know it, we'll wipe out all them li'l monkeys. What say, Queenie? Gimme some dinero to get the ball rollin'?"

[GtHawk]

I love "indigenous peoples"! Everybody on the North American conyinent came from some where else, some just came sooner. It has been a constant in humanity that one group will move in to take what they want from another group, and that includes all those "indigenous people" that the left loves so much, but hey they're all about rewriting history to their preffered social justice version of the day.

[Wingnut]

Yes, that's how he presented it to the queen when he was asking for funding (actual transcript): "Hey, Queen, I have a great idea for destroying some of them there indigenous peoples over in them West Indies er Merica er whatever it's called. I'll sail westward from Italy and then hit some land where them critters are runnin' around half nekkid. What the hey! We can import some of our diseases and sgetti sauce and mozzarella, and what not, and afore you know it, we'll wipe out all them li'l monkeys. What say, Queenie? Gimme some dinero to get the ball rollin'?"

I didn't see that quote in my American History Textbook.

I wish I had known!

[RoosGirl]

I didn't see that quote in my American History Textbook.

I wish I had known!

Pfft, like you can remember your American History textbook.

I had the new kind of American History and I'm pretty sure it was in mine.

[Wingnut]

Pfft, like you can remember your American History textbook.

I had the new kind of American History and I'm pretty sure it was in mine.

I beg your pardon missy.  I have a very good memory for things that happened 40 years ago.  Just don't ask me what I had for lunch yesterday  and we are good.

[skeeter]

Henceforth in Los Angeles, there will be no day devoted solely to the achievements of Columbus, who was both the discoverer of the New World and the catalyst for the destruction of Native American people and their cultures in the centuries that followed.

Those native American cultures were never the same after Columbus brought them the wheel.

[RoosGirl]

I beg your pardon missy.  I have a very good memory for things that happened 40 years ago.  Just don't ask me what I had for lunch yesterday  and we are good.

Heh, I'm the same way.  Most of the lyrics I added on your song thread are from memory.  Ask me what I made for dinner last night; nope.

[bolobaby]

How to make your kids' elementary school's teachers' heads explode...

When they are learning about Native Americans, send them armed with a list of questions like:

1. Did Native Americans keep slaves?

2. How often did the Native Americans go to war with each other?

3. I've heard it taught that Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership and that they lived in harmony with the land and it's resources. If that is so, why did they go to war with one another so often? Was it territory disputes and/or wars over resources, or were they just xenophobic and hateful of other tribes?

4. How did they treat prisoners of war? Was mutilation common amongst Native American people?

5. If Native Americans lived in America long before Columbus came, and America is a particularly bountiful land, why didn't the Native American tribes flourish like the European people did?

And so forth and so on...

[DB]

How to make your kids' elementary school's teachers' heads explode...

When they are learning about Native Americans, send them armed with a list of questions like:

1. Did Native Americans keep slaves?

2. How often did the Native Americans go to war with each other?

3. I've heard it taught that Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership and that they lived in harmony with the land and it's resources. If that is so, why did they go to war with one another so often? Was it territory disputes and/or wars over resources, or were they just xenophobic and hateful of other tribes?

4. How did they treat prisoners of war? Was mutilation common amongst Native American people?

5. If Native Americans lived in America long before Columbus came, and America is a particularly bountiful land, why didn't the Native American tribes flourish like the European people did?

And so forth and so on...

And where did the horses come from that you always see Indians riding in the movies?

And when did they invent the wheel for carts to transport things?

[Wingnut]

And where did the horses come from that you always see Indians riding in the movies?

And when did they invent the wheel for carts to transport things?

I killed thousands of injuns was I was a kid.  Who invented the Cap Gun.  This is the relative point here.  Someone PLEASE help me.

[Snarknado]

Hmm - Indigenous Peoples, OH has a ring to it. I'm not too sure about Indigenous Peopia University though...

[goatprairie]

How to make your kids' elementary school's teachers' heads explode...

When they are learning about Native Americans, send them armed with a list of questions like:

1. Did Native Americans keep slaves?

2. How often did the Native Americans go to war with each other?

3. I've heard it taught that Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership and that they lived in harmony with the land and it's resources. If that is so, why did they go to war with one another so often? Was it territory disputes and/or wars over resources, or were they just xenophobic and hateful of other tribes?

4. How did they treat prisoners of war? Was mutilation common amongst Native American people?

5. If Native Americans lived in America long before Columbus came, and America is a particularly bountiful land, why didn't the Native American tribes flourish like the European people did?

And so forth and so on...

Uh oh........don't try to present facts to a lib/leftist instructor...it will only enrage them.
Actually, you are quite correct.
In fact, many heroes of the "indigenous people" committed the same vile or violent acts as Europeans.
But it is the intent of lib instructors to destroy western civ and replace it with....well, what exactly would they like to replace it with?   There are few achievements of the "indigenous people" of the western hemisphere (or eastern hemisphere) that stack up against the achievements to world civilization of European explorers and peoples despite their occasional cruelty to conquered peoples.
And as far as death and destruction,  what  Genghis Khan and the other Mongols and Asian rulers "achieved" in their conquests far outstrips any killing Europeans have done.  Even Hitler didn't kill as many people as the Mongol conquerors are reported to have killed.
And, unlike for example the Romans, the Mongols brought little in the way of contributions to world civilization other than innovative ways of slaughtering people.
The Islamic hordes who conquered vast swathes of Africa and Asia and made inroads into Europe were not much better than the Mongols.
Bring those things up to your standard anti-western civ. high school or college instructor, and watch their heads explode in anger.  And let's see them try to counter your argument. They can't.

[sneakypete]

Ok,someone in the know needs to explain to me WHY we are celebrating the indigenous peoples. Is it because they kept slaves and murdered virgins to please their Gods?

Maybe it is because they were backward rubes who had to paint pictures because they had no written languages?

Leaving their old people out in the cold to die when they got too old to keep up with the rest of the tribes,or too sick to work?

Maybe we are celebrating their cannibalism?

Or is it that they loved to torture their captured enemies to death,and thought getting their children involved in the torture was a peachy-keen idea?

Come to think of it,no wonder their descendants,who are the majority of the prisoners in our prisons these days,hate the Europeans who brought civilization to North America!

[sneakypete]

Henceforth in Los Angeles, there will be no day devoted solely to the achievements of Columbus, who was both the discoverer of the New World and the catalyst for the destruction of Native American people and their cultures in the centuries that followed.

Those native American cultures were never the same after Columbus brought them the wheel.

@skeeter

What did it take,something like 400 Spaniards to conquer all of "indigenous peoples tribes" what is now called South America,and the southern part of North America?

Although to be totally fair,they did their best to leave the Comanche and Apaches alone. Spaniards in armor used to marching to war in formation didn't seem to do well in desert areas.

[sneakypete]

How to make your kids' elementary school's teachers' heads explode...

When they are learning about Native Americans, send them armed with a list of questions like:

1. Did Native Americans keep slaves?

Not really. They mostly worked them to death or until they got too weak to work anymore,and then they tortured them to death for fun.

Other than the captured women and children,that is. The really young children they kept and converted into tribal members,and the older children were just killed. The women were baby factories,kept to replace the warriors lost each year in the Spring Rape Rites they perpetuated on other tribes.

2. How often did the Native Americans go to war with each other?

Every spring. Some people called it raids,some people today refer to them as "romantic quests to find wives",and some still call it rape and murder rites.

After all,ya gotta bring in fresh blood or end up with a tribe of retards. (see the native peoples conquered by the Spanish)

3. I've heard it taught that Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership and that they lived in harmony with the land and it's resources.

True,dat! They often had large welcoming committees to greet strangers that wandered onto their tribal lands,and they often welcomed those people with large fires and cooked meat.

If that is so, why did they go to war with one another so often? Was it territory disputes and/or wars over resources, or were they just xenophobic and hateful of other tribes?

Mostly is was for the wimmins. The other tribes had strange women,and they wanted them. Unlike some people,the native Americans didn't like humping their sisters and cousins. Plus it gave the young men something to do and kept them out of local trouble.

4. How did they treat prisoners of war?

Usually with large bonfires.

 

[goatprairie]

@skeeter

What did it take,something like 400 Spaniards to conquer all of "indigenous peoples tribes" what is now called South America,and the southern part of North America?

Although to be totally fair,they did their best to leave the Comanche and Apaches alone. Spaniards in armor used to marching to war in formation didn't seem to do well in desert areas.

Add to that the fact that there were very few people living in the vast American southwest. How could they? There's little arable land, and the pre-Spaniard Indians had little idea about how to build the cities needed for large populations in an area as devoid of water as the southwest..
The myth purported by leftist historians is that the land north of the Rio Grande contained many millions of people. The facts are there's no way the land could support large populations in much of the country west of the Mississippi.  Nomadic  people just cannot build large populations of people.  And the eastern half wasn't filled up either. 
The total population of pre-Columbus N. A. north of the Rio Grande most likely didn't number more than one or two million people. Spread that out over an area the size of the contiguous U.S. and it would be tough to run into many people if they didn't want to be seen.
It's then no wonder that Coronado could explore a large part of the southwest without running into many Indians.

[Smokin Joe]

What's next?  Replace Labor Day with Loafers Day?  I mean...the term "Labor" might be offending all of those folks (what is it now, a third of Americans still?) that don't actually work for their subsistence/living, courtesy of Uncle Santa/Sam and, by proxy, the US Taxpayers.

Nah. This.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ibhWgMlso

Square in the crosshairs, it's a two-fer.

[Smokin Joe]

Henceforth in Los Angeles, there will be no day devoted solely to the achievements of Columbus, who was both the discoverer of the New World and the catalyst for the destruction of Native American people and their cultures in the centuries that followed.

Those native American cultures were never the same after Columbus brought them the wheel.

Can they stop speaking Spanish, too?

[Smokin Joe]

Add to that the fact that there were very few people living in the vast American southwest. How could they? There's little arable land, and the pre-Spaniard Indians had little idea about how to build the cities needed for large populations in an area as devoid of water as the southwest..
The myth purported by leftist historians is that the land north of the Rio Grande contained many millions of people. The facts are there's no way the land could support large populations in much of the country west of the Mississippi.  Nomadic  people just cannot build large populations of people.  And the eastern half wasn't filled up either. 
The total population of pre-Columbus N. A. north of the Rio Grande most likely didn't number more than one or two million people. Spread that out over an area the size of the contiguous U.S. and it would be tough to run into many people if they didn't want to be seen.
It's then no wonder that Coronado could explore a large part of the southwest without running into many Indians.

The natives had to put up with real 'climate change', from the flooding of the coasts ca 12000 years ago, to the shift northward of temperate zones. to the shift in megafauna. I have little doubt that had some effect, and the Anasazi ruins, although much younger than the greatest temperature shifts, indicate that areas which once supported folks no longer did.  The idea that a reduction in population either preceded or coincided with the arrival of folks with new germs is not so unusual, and has some support.

How many? Dunno, don't pretend to. Indians in the SW were very good at hiding, not just from Conquistadores, but right up to the Chiricahua Apache--if they didn't want to be seen, they usually were not, so Cortez could have wandered until his horses wore down like dachshunds, and it would not have made any difference if they did not want to reveal their presence or numbers. I think some estimates are likely too high, and others too low.

[RetBobbyMI]

in·dig·e·nous
inˈdijənəs/Submit
adjective
originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

Appears to me by definition that if one is born in the USofA, you are indigenous to the USofA.

[mountaineer]

in·dig·e·nous
inˈdijənəs/Submit
adjective
originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

Appears to me by definition that if one is born in the USofA, you are indigenous to the USofA.

That's why I call myself a native American. Born in Pittsburgh, USA, therefore a native of this country.