Donald Trump 'might refuse to leave the White House when his term ends', expert warns

[Emjay]

Okay, darlin', that's enough horsesh*t for today. You'll strain yourself shoveling like that.

Are you folks just incapable of reading anything anyone else says good about the man? It is a real disincentive to give him any credit if it is ignored that we do so, yet we persist when he gets things right.

The conservative cause has been hurt by those claiming that man is a Conservative. Nope. He isn't, even if he does some things we all would like to see. And, being Conservatives, we don't hope for the POTUS to fail, because that hurts the whole country.

Now, why don't you just run along and bake yourself a nice road apple pie. Bless your heart, worms and all.

No one is claiming that Trump is conservative but he has done some conservative things ... quite a few of them, in fact.

And you seem to be saying that Trump gets an appropriate amount of credit when he does something right.  I'm saying that he does not.  Any credit he gets from hardcore NTers is accompanied by a but ...

Sorry I offended you but, ya know, the truth hurts sometimes.

P.S.  Please don't be nasty.

[RoosGirl]

P.S.  Please don't be nasty.

 

Back atcha.

[Smokin Joe]

No one is claiming that Trump is conservative but he has done some conservative things ... quite a few of them, in fact.

And you seem to be saying that Trump gets an appropriate amount of credit when he does something right.  I'm saying that he does not.  Any credit he gets from hardcore NTers is accompanied by a but ...

Sorry I offended you but, ya know, the truth hurts sometimes.

P.S.  Please don't be nasty.

Why, darlin' I'm not being nasty. I'm just pointing out that no one here but those who have kissed the ring and sworn their undying devotion to the Donald get any credit for giving him any credit at all.

Truth is, we're downright happy for every Conservative thing he does. It's more than we expected. Like so many he has made a bunch of promises, and when he actually does some of those things we're thrilled and say so.

But there is a group around here who seem to go temporarily blind when those words are writ, or maybe y'all have some sort of filter on your monitor that bleeps them out.

Other folks have said it, and I will, too. It's hard to support someone for doing right when you get attacked by his supporters for doing so. Yet we Conservatives, out of a sense of fairness, continue to give credit where credit is due.

Have a nice day, now.

[Right_in_Virginia]

....  It's people like you who ensure that any support we may even reluctantly give your president, is rescinded.  People like you reinforce our contempt for your party and anyone or anything you support.

@INVAR, why can't you simply speak for yourself?  Why must you travel and speak, even within the confines of your own mind, as part of a marauding pack?

Well, be that as it may ... I have read your many posts now for months and months.  I personally think you are off the political deep end so not having your support is a rather good thing, IMO.  In fact, if you were to give your full political support, I would worry.

So, please, don't play the game that begins with "if you're not nice by my definition" and ends with "I won't support Trump and it will be your fault".   It's a waste of time because based on your political "eccentricities", I do not care.

[INVAR]

Are you folks just incapable of reading anything anyone else says good about the man? It is a real disincentive to give him any credit if it is ignored that we do so, yet we persist when he gets things right.

They are not interested in any approval for their president from Conservatives unless it comes with a confession of repentance for doubting the messianic status of their leader and pledging oneself in total fealty to Trump.

They would rather continue to declare us the enemy, traitors and worse. 

So no, there is no reason to credit Trump for anything he does if you expect any courtesy from the True Believers.  They are going to insult you anyway and diss your credit as unworthy and unwanted.

[Emjay]

Why, darlin' I'm not being nasty. I'm just pointing out that no one here but those who have kissed the ring and sworn their undying devotion to the Donald get any credit for giving him any credit at all.

Truth is, we're downright happy for every Conservative thing he does. It's more than we expected. Like so many he has made a bunch of promises, and when he actually does some of those things we're thrilled and say so.

But there is a group around here who seem to go temporarily blind when those words are writ, or maybe y'all have some sort of filter on your monitor that bleeps them out.

Other folks have said it, and I will, too. It's hard to support someone for doing right when you get attacked by his supporters for doing so. Yet we Conservatives, out of a sense of fairness, continue to give credit where credit is due.

Have a nice day, now.

I understand.  Perhaps it's a matter of perception.  And, see, you are perfectly capable of making a very coherent and persuasive post without being vulgar.

I appreciate that.

[Right_in_Virginia]

.... But there is a group around here who seem to go temporarily blind when those words are writ, or maybe y'all have some sort of filter on your monitor that bleeps them out. 

Well, here's some advice that may be of help to you with this @Smokin Joe :  A simple "well done" and/or "I agree with this" would suffice.  Explaining how one never supported Trump and still does not ... but in this one case ..... really serves to diminish the credibility of even the momentary support for the President's achievement.

It's a signal that the poster is holding onto a grudge and still not rooting for the success of the President and his agenda.

Expecting a parade for such fleeting and shallow support tends to reek of self-righteousness.  Expecting applause, too, only worsens it.

[RoosGirl]

Well, here's some advice that may be of help to you with this @Smokin Joe :  A simple "well done" and/or "I agree with this" would suffice.  Explaining how one never supported Trump and still does not ... but in this one case ..... really serves to diminish the credibility of even the momentary support for the President's achievement.

It's a signal that the poster is holding onto a grudge and still not rooting for the success of the President and his agenda.

Expecting a parade for such fleeting and shallow support tends to reek of self-righteousness.  Expecting applause, too, only worsens it.

No one is asking for a parade or applause.  Not being a toad and asking questions like "have you seen the light" would be great though.

[Smokin Joe]

Well, here's some advice that may be of help to you with this @Smokin Joe :  A simple "well done" and/or "I agree with this" would suffice.  Explaining how one never supported Trump and still does not ... but in this one case ..... really serves to diminish the credibility of even the momentary support for the President's achievement.

Okay, I think I see the problem right there. If you think that giving kudos IN SPITE of not supporting someone diminishes the compliment, you are sadly misguided. It is an affirmation that they believe in this instance he has done the correct thing. Nothing less.
If you think that diminishes the compliment, then I'd wager you have never given someone you either did not like or had severe reservations about credit when they were due that credit. Otherwise, you'd know.

It's a signal that the poster is holding onto a grudge and still not rooting for the success of the President and his agenda.

It is an affirmation that that person thinks he got it right this time. Some of us call that being "fair".

Expecting a parade for such fleeting and shallow support tends to reek of self-righteousness.  Expecting applause, too, only worsens it.

Self righteousness? Point that finger and see how many point back at you. That a person could overcome revulsion to give someone credit for doing the right thing is a measure of fairness, not shallow support for that particular action, but wholehearted agreement in that instance. If that seems like fleeting support, maybe they should act that way more often.
As has been said, repeatedly, when he does right, I'll give credit when credit is due. When he screws up, I'll say so, and I'll apply the same standard to any person, anywhere, anytime.

If what you want is undying fealty, 'The Donald right or wrong!", that just isn't going to happen, nor should it. As for wanting applause, no, just a cessation of the lies about how people on this site never give Trump any credit. It diminishes the posters who assert it, and the site, too.

[INVAR]

@INVAR, why can't you simply speak for yourself?  Why must you travel and speak, even within the confines of your own mind, as part of a marauding pack?

How about this toots?  BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO.

I personally think you are off the political deep end so not having your support is a rather good thing, IMO.  In fact, if you were to give your full political support, I would worry.

You and your ilk have been preaching that since the Primaries.   So why all the constant bitching that we refuse to support your prince?  Even when we do, hacks like you come out and do this kind of shit and literally drive any willingness to acknowledge accomplishment away - and once again motivate us to work harder to foment exodus from your failed party.

It's a waste of time because based on your political "eccentricities", I do not care.

Bullshit.  If you didn't care you would not be constantly insulting, impugning Conservatives with constant hubris condescension, even when we approve of something Trump does or call bullshit what it is.  You care enough to make sure that even when we are acknowledging the bullshit of the Left, you continue to insult and deride us anyway.

You declared us the enemy back during the primaries and your fellows even went so far as to threaten death for our refusal to vote the way you demanded.  You are simply another enemy to be fought countered and defeated.

You and your kind wanted this war.

You got it.  All your petty snark does is embolden more people to join us in yanking more and more Conservatives out of your party.

It's a signal that the poster is holding onto a grudge and still not rooting for the success of the President and his agenda.

Expecting a parade for such fleeting and shallow support tends to reek of self-righteousness.  Expecting applause, too, only worsens it.

As I have said, you expect total fealty and obeisance - because even when just a thumbs-up icon is posted on a thread announcing a Trump policy we agree with, you have to shit on it with your usual classless snark.

So fine.  I accept where we stand: I'm an unhinged off-the-deep end traitor deserving of death who lives in my mother's basement in your eyes - and you are worse than a Marxist Democrat Antifa moron in mine.

[Emjay]

I may have gone overboard and offended some people here.

I apologize.

I think the media is driving me a little nuts.  They do wield an unfair amount of power and they are using it to the hilt to discredit Trump.

Now, anybody who knew me in the 'old day's ... that is the primary days ... knows I was bitterly opposed to Trump and I kinda get why some of you cannot get over that.  I'm not over it myself, but I tried to put it aside once he was elected.

And I was able to do it because most of what he has done so far has been okay.  And he has tried to do more things that I would be in favor of but has been thwarted by a Congress that has too many democrats and too many Republicans who are not conservative.

I really hope we will see some improvement in the next elections.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No one is asking for a parade or applause.  Not being a toad and asking questions like "have you seen the light" would be great though.

I know one of your favorite words is "toad" @RoosGirl but it diminishes, not enhances, your point.

And yes, applause and recognition has somehow come to be expected .... as though acknowledging Donald Trump's successes is such an incredible leap, and one I should be grateful for.

Life, never mind politics, doesn't work this way.  Being honest about the President's efforts and achievements should be expected.  Receiving a hug and some special prize for it should not be.

I'd be very happy if we could nip this expectation in the bud so we can just move on to the brave new world we're in now ... without dragging the primaries in tow.

Neither owes the other anything.

[XenaLee]

I do have qualms with the NTs and their vaunted sense of conscience.  They are just too dam good and virtuous to give any credit to Trump no matter what he does.

I have qualms because I think they hurt the conservative cause they claim to uphold.  Destroying the Trump presidency will do nothing good for conservatism.

Yeah, quite the contrary.   Destroying the Trump presidency.... or helping/aiding the radical left in doing so.... will only help to further destroy conservatism.  I don't know what they're thinking.... but it sure as hell reeks of "leftist" thought patterns to me.

[RoosGirl]

I know one of your favorite words is "toad" @RoosGirl but it diminishes, not enhances, your point.

And yes, applause and recognition has somehow come to be expected .... as though acknowledging Donald Trump's successes is such an incredible leap, and one I should be grateful for.

Life, never mind politics, doesn't work this way.  Being honest about the President's efforts and achievements should be expected.  Receiving a hug and some special prize for it should not be.

I'd be very happy if we could nip this expectation in the bud so we can just move on to the brave new world we're in now ... without dragging the primaries in tow.

Neither owes the other anything.

You're going to have to show me some examples of people asking for applause cause I sure don't believe you.

[XenaLee]

Okay, I think I see the problem right there. If you think that giving kudos IN SPITE of not supporting someone diminishes the compliment, you are sadly misguided. It is an affirmation that they believe in this instance he has done the correct thing. Nothing less.
If you think that diminishes the compliment, then I'd wager you have never given someone you either did not like or had severe reservations about credit when they were due that credit. Otherwise, you'd know.  It is an affirmation that that person thinks he got it right this time. Some of us call that being "fair". Self righteousness? Point that finger and see how many point back at you. That a person could overcome revulsion to give someone credit for doing the right thing is a measure of fairness, not shallow support for that particular action, but wholehearted agreement in that instance. If that seems like fleeting support, maybe they should act that way more often.
As has been said, repeatedly, when he does right, I'll give credit when credit is due. When he screws up, I'll say so, and I'll apply the same standard to any person, anywhere, anytime.

If what you want is undying fealty, 'The Donald right or wrong!", that just isn't going to happen, nor should it. As for wanting applause, no, just a cessation of the lies about how people on this site never give Trump any credit. It diminishes the posters who assert it, and the site, too.

 

[Sanguine]

I may have gone overboard and offended some people here.

I apologize.

I think the media is driving me a little nuts.  They do wield an unfair amount of power and they are using it to the hilt to discredit Trump.

Now, anybody who knew me in the 'old day's ... that is the primary days ... knows I was bitterly opposed to Trump and I kinda get why some of you cannot get over that.  I'm not over it myself, but I tried to put it aside once he was elected.

And I was able to do it because most of what he has done so far has been okay.  And he has tried to do more things that I would be in favor of but has been thwarted by a Congress that has too many democrats and too many Republicans who are not conservative.

I really hope we will see some improvement in the next elections.

That's very nice of you to say @Emjay.

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah, quite the contrary.   Destroying the Trump presidency.... or helping/aiding the radical left in doing so.... will only help to further destroy conservatism.  I don't know what they're thinking.... but it sure as hell reeks of "leftist" thought patterns to me.

Let's run the numbers on this. We're so few in number, we were no longer wanted in the GOP. Nope, Our support wasn't needed, it wasn't even wanted.

But now we're going to 'destroy the Trump Presidency'?

Oh my.

We're not rooting for failure. If Trump does every conservative thing he said he would, I'd be tickled--especially if he doesn't pull some boneheaded stunt to mess that up. Only there are rules, that Constitution thingy, and I want things done well, meaning that the Dems couldn't throw them out with a countermanding EO or dump them with a ruling from the 9th Circus. All neat and Constitutional-like. Mainly because it would be good for the country.
Nothing would make me happier than to see the Socialist/Communist/Democrat Agenda thwarted in such away that it does not recover. I want a return to the Constitution, a smaller government that does less at the Federal Level, a return of power to the States and Liberty to the people, and the prosperity that comes with a balanced budget and a revenue surplus to pay off the Debt.

Everyone has a wish list, I reckon. Now if Trump can goad the Congress into repealing the ACA, and enacting measures to do the more Conservative things he promised--and doesn't give Hillary and her minions a pass for national security violations, the world would be a better place.

[Right_in_Virginia]

You're going to have to show me some examples of people asking for applause cause I sure don't believe you.

Ah, my bad---I went outside the lines of the literal.   Read through the posts @RoosGirl on this thread and elsewhere ...  you won't see the word "applause", but you will see the opinion that simply acknowledging the President's achievements is something rather sublime and worthy of recognition.  You believing this or not is inconsequential, to me.     

Our conversation has reached its natural end.   

[RoosGirl]

Ah, my bad---I went outside the lines of the literal.   Read through the posts @RoosGirl on this thread and elsewhere ...  you won't see the word "applause", but you will see the opinion that simply acknowledging the President's achievements is something rather sublime and worthy of recognition.  You believing this or not is inconsequential, to me.     

Our conversation has reached its natural end.   

I've read every comment.  You're wrong.

[Sanguine]

I've read every comment.  You're wrong.

Which would explain why the conversation has reached its natural end.

[RoosGirl]

A natural end, indeed.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Which would explain why the conversation has reached its natural end.

Actually, it does not @Sanguine   I chose to end the "conversation" with @RoosGirl because when she refers to me as "toad" it's a signal she's looking to argue, personally....and I wanted to get out before the cycle escalated, as it inevitably would.

Frankly, I'm not in the mood for that --- at least not today.   ^-^

[Right_in_Virginia]

A natural end, indeed.

This is what I meant about @RoosGirl escalating the personal insults @Sanguine   I mistimed my exit by one post.   

[Sanguine]

This is what I meant about @RoosGirl escalating the personal insults @Sanguine   I mistimed my exit by one post.   

Well, technically, that photo refers to the conversation.  If you want to take it personally that's up to you.

[XenaLee]

Let's run the numbers on this. We're so few in number, we were no longer wanted in the GOP. Nope, Our support wasn't needed, it wasn't even wanted.

But now we're going to 'destroy the Trump Presidency'?

Oh my.

We're not rooting for failure. If Trump does every conservative thing he said he would, I'd be tickled--especially if he doesn't pull some boneheaded stunt to mess that up. Only there are rules, that Constitution thingy, and I want things done well, meaning that the Dems couldn't throw them out with a countermanding EO or dump them with a ruling from the 9th Circus. All neat and Constitutional-like. Mainly because it would be good for the country.
Nothing would make me happier than to see the Socialist/Communist/Democrat Agenda thwarted in such away that it does not recover. I want a return to the Constitution, a smaller government that does less at the Federal Level, a return of power to the States and Liberty to the people, and the prosperity that comes with a balanced budget and a revenue surplus to pay off the Debt.

Everyone has a wish list, I reckon. Now if Trump can goad the Congress into repealing the ACA, and enacting measures to do the more Conservative things he promised--and doesn't give Hillary and her minions a pass for national security violations, the world would be a better place.

Yeah, well....I wasn't referring to you personally.  I was referring to the establishment RINOs, ie the "pretenda Republicans and Conservatives".... and the radical Trump-haters that are in constant and 24/7 mode to destroy his presidency.  That doesn't apply to you does it?  If so, I have misjudged you.