Replacing the Republican Party

[driftdiver]

And 'He's not Hillary' is the best example of why the Republican Party needs to go.

@roamer_1
Again, you can sit in your perfect little world.  The rest of us (mostly) live in the real world.   Out of all the Presidential elections for the last 235 or so years, how many have had an ideal candidate?

No, every single election is picking the best option of those available.   Are there big problems with the Republican Party, yes.   Is there another show in town, no.

[TomSea]

And Mussolini made the trains run on time.

I am being entirely honest. He's a liberal. All it takes is single-payer healthcare or gang-of-eight amnesty, or any other progressive thing like-in-kind, and anything else he might do is rendered moot.

And the Republican party is no better.

Off-Topic but sorry, he has fullfilled some planks of the Republican Platform that prove the conservatism but is off-topic and banned per conversation here.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf

Sorry, he's a Conservative; but the talk is NOT about Trump but about the GOP.

[txradioguy]

Off-Topic but sorry, he has fullfilled some planks of the Republican Platform that prove the conservatism but is off-topic and banned per conversation here.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL[1]-ben_1468872234.pdf

Sorry, he's a Conservative; but the talk is NOT about Trump but about the GOP.

What planks has he filled?  And since he's the President...elected on the Republican ticket...wouldn't that make him the head of the GOP?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1
Again, you can sit in your perfect little world.  The rest of us (mostly) live in the real world.   Out of all the Presidential elections for the last 235 or so years, how many have had an ideal candidate?

No, every single election is picking the best option of those available.   Are there big problems with the Republican Party, yes.   Is there another show in town, no.

@driftdiver
Exactly wrong.
When you keep voting *for* 'lesser evil' liberals, soon all you'll have is liberals... Which is exactly where we are right now.

[txradioguy]

Exactly wrong.
When you keep voting *for* 'lesser evil' liberals, soon all you'll have is liberals... Which is exactly where we are right now.

Exactly

[TomSea]

"Replacing the Republican Party

America needs a virile alternative to the present mess
By Angelo M. Codevilla -
Sunday, August 20, 2017

ANALYSIS/OPINION:"

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/republican-party-needs-to-be-replaced/

Is not even a news story.  Labeled opinion.

[txradioguy]

"Replacing the Republican Party

America needs a virile alternative to the present mess
By Angelo M. Codevilla -
Sunday, August 20, 2017

ANALYSIS/OPINION:"

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/republican-party-needs-to-be-replaced/

Is not even a news story.  Labeled opinion.

And...

It's political in nature and no one who has been on this thread...except you just now decided that needed to be pointed out.

And you only did it because you want to throw a tantrum because a Mod called you out.

[Sanguine]

"Replacing the Republican Party

America needs a virile alternative to the present mess
By Angelo M. Codevilla -
Sunday, August 20, 2017

ANALYSIS/OPINION:"

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/republican-party-needs-to-be-replaced/

Is not even a news story.  Labeled opinion.

Isn't it in "Politics"?

[aligncare]

I'm as angry with the entrenched, fat and happy republicans as the next guy. But, I see no viable 3rd party at this time. Even Trump as tough as he is will likely make only a dent in the DC cash cow system career politicians been milking for decades.

We should focus on changing the existing party by offering up quality primary candidates who are more interested in service, than being serviced on their way to the top.

[roamer_1]

We should focus on changing the existing party by offering up quality primary candidates who are more interested in service, than being serviced on their way to the top.

Riiiiight. Just like the last 30 years.
Foolishness.

[INVAR]

The Republican Party is already going the way of the Whigs, regardless of what anyone wishes or whomever they think they can vote into high office to "save us".

Either Trump will successfully rebrand the GOP into a Nationalist Populist Party, or McConnell and the Establishment will fold it into the Democrat Party in everything but name.

Conservatives have nowhere else to go except to surrender and become absorbed by one or the other - or they can leave and start over.

A people need to relearn and understand the principles that made liberty possible to begin with, because if they don't, it doesn't matter which evil runs the country.  The end result will be the same.

[txradioguy]

I'm as angry with the entrenched, fat and happy republicans as the next guy. But, I see no viable 3rd party at this time. Even Trump as tough as he is will likely make only a dent in the DC cash cow system career politicians been milking for decades.

We should focus on changing the existing party by offering up quality primary candidates who are more interested in service, than being serviced on their way to the top.

We've got to get out of the mindset that there are only two options.  And there needs to be someone with name recognition and the political organization to make that step to the likes of the Conservative Party or the Constitution Party to make it happen.

If you look back in history at the formation of the Republican Party...the Whigs laughed them off and dismissed them as well.  They too failed to see the dissatisfaction of the people who voted for them with how they were handling their affairs in D.C. And now where is the Whig Party today?

The Republican Party needs to either wake up and remember history in a hurry...or the Whigs are going to be making room on the bench.

[TomSea]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/republican-party-needs-to-be-replaced/

The original article mentions Trump, let's see, not 3 times, not 2 times, not 1 time.

Any guesses?

Yet, oh, fine.  Say whatever one wants about an article that does not even mention him one time. Call him a liberal, messiah, imperial presidency, etc. Now, who is off-topic? And woe to anyone pointing out setting out to actually follow the Republican National Platform from the convention.

 

[INVAR]

We should focus on changing the existing party by offering up quality primary candidates who are more interested in service, than being serviced on their way to the top.

Have fun practicing insanity. 

The rest of us are done doing the same old shit and pretending it will be better next time.

Next cycle you guys will end up choosing between a Lenin and a Stalin and we will hear the same stupid crap being dished up right now about how 'there is no viable third party' and 'we need to work to change the existing party'.

Horseshit. 

At some point declaring independence and starting over is absolutely necessary - and we are WAAAAAAAAAAY past the time of doing so.   Unless of course, you are happy being slaves, of which I assert most of this people are content with being.

As long as cable, beer and porn are on tap.  As Pete said above, if Stalin came and offered free HBO to the masses, he would win in a landslide by a majority from within both parties.

[txradioguy]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/republican-party-needs-to-be-replaced/

The original article mentions Trump, let's see, not 3 times, not 2 times, not 1 time.

Any guesses?

Yet, oh, fine.  Say whatever one wants about an article that does not even mention him one time. Call him a liberal, messiah, imperial presidency, etc. Now, who is off-topic? And woe to anyone pointing out setting out to actually follow the Republican National Platform from the convention.

 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Riiiiight. Just like the last 30 years.
Foolishness.

 

I wouldn't say foolish at all.

Both approaches involve an amount of short term pain, and have almost no chance of long term success.

Personally, I believe voting conscience has more risk, as well as more potential for (long term) reward.  That's the way I've decided to go.  But I wouldn't say anyone else is being foolish for choosing their doomed-to-fail approach over my doomed-to-fail approach.

P.S.  I hope you're right and I'm wrong and our way works and I have to say that you were right, their plan was foolish, after all.

[Emjay]

We've got to get out of the mindset that there are only two options.  And there needs to be someone with name recognition and the political organization to make that step to the likes of the Conservative Party or the Constitution Party to make it happen.

If you look back in history at the formation of the Republican Party...the Whigs laughed them off and dismissed them as well.  They too failed to see the dissatisfaction of the people who voted for them with how they were handling their affairs in D.C. And now where is the Whig Party today?

The Republican Party needs to either wake up and remember history in a hurry...or the Whigs are going to be making room on the bench.

Mystery just posted a link to the golden opportunity we have to select more Republicans to the Senate in 2018.  Some of the Dem senators are from states that Trump won by a large margin.

Waiting for you to discount electing more Republicans because they may not be conservative enough.  3 2 1

[truth_seeker]

A great strategy is for "conservatives," to portray themselves a always victims. /s

[INVAR]

Mystery just posted a link to the golden opportunity we have to select more Republicans to the Senate in 2018.  Some of the Dem senators are from states that Trump won by a large margin.

Knock your socks off.

Have fun.

[aligncare]

Mystery just posted a link to the golden opportunity we have to select more Republicans to the Senate in 2018.  Some of the Dem senators are from states that Trump won by a large margin.

Waiting for you to discount electing more Republicans because they may not be conservative enough.  3 2 1

Exactly. Acquiring the power first puts us in a position to effect–and here's the hard part– incremental changes. Incremental, because that's how a representative republic works. The left has stayed focused on this strategy since before FDR, and history shows us how wildly successful they have been.

[Sanguine]

Mystery just posted a link to the golden opportunity we have to select more Republicans to the Senate in 2018.  Some of the Dem senators are from states that Trump won by a large margin.

Waiting for you to discount electing more Republicans because they may not be conservative enough.  3 2 1

But, @Emjay, if they're not pretty conservative and willing to go against the flow, what good are they doing us?

[driftdiver]

Knock your socks off.

Have fun.

@INVAR
Again, what is your alternative?  Do you have one?

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

But, @Emjay, if they're not pretty conservative and willing to go against the flow, what good are they doing us?

Because, if we just get 60 Republican senators they'll repeal 0scare!

No, really, this time they mean it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Mystery just posted a link to the golden opportunity we have to select more Republicans to the Senate in 2018.  Some of the Dem senators are from states that Trump won by a large margin.

Waiting for you to discount electing more Republicans because they may not be conservative enough.  3 2 1

If you can, try and catch the President's rally tonight.  He's going to start the ball rolling with replacing Flake!!  Watch for him to expand this to replacing Democrats in states he won!  (And there were lots of them!!)  Here's where we can be grateful for twitter!

The President is doing more than talking ... he's rolling!

@Emjay

[INVAR]

Again, what is your alternative?  Do you have one?

We told you.  You're not listening or you have decided to ignore it altogether.  I'm going with the latter.  So stop asking.