Replacing the Republican Party

[libertybele]

That depends entirely upon one's definition of 'winning'.
I certainly do not suppose that supporting Republican liberalism is winning in any sense.

By definition of winning I am ultimately referring to winning the Presidency of the United States. The fact still remains  that you could have numerous sitting senators and representatives exiting the Republican party and running as candidates under the umbrella of the Constitution Party; but do you not think that others would try to fill their vacated seat?  If by chance we do get a 3rd party president; Congress still would have seats filled by undesirable politicians that the new president would have to deal with.  That's reality.

Years ago, many wanted Dr. Ron Paul to run 3rd party and he refused to do so as he stated that his chances of winning were better under the Republican umbrella.

[roamer_1]

That's reality.

[INVAR]

By definition of winning I am ultimately referring to winning the Presidency of the United States.

Conservatives do not support a monarchy or imperial presidency - despite the fact the vast majority of the population and both party leaderships do.

As we have had shoved right into our faces, 'winning the presidency', the House and Senate is worthless and useless as far as furthering Conservative principles with the GOP.

[TomSea]

Conservatives do not support a monarchy or imperial presidency - despite the fact the vast majority of the population and both party leaderships do.

As we have had shoved right into our faces, 'winning the presidency', the House and Senate is worthless and useless as far as furthering Conservative principles with the GOP.

Pro-Life Conservatives do, President Trump has already made accomplishments in this and Planned Parenthood would have been defunded had the Senate had it together.

There is no proof that you are speaking for conservatism.

[roamer_1]

As we have had shoved right into our faces, 'winning the presidency', the House and Senate is worthless and useless as far as furthering Conservative principles with the GOP.

Exactly right. 'winning' is the culmination of years of the 'lesser evil'... A liberal Republican in a chaotic, will-o-wisp White House, and a toothless Congress that can't find it's ass with either hand.

That's what winning for winning's sake brings.

True winning is something that advances one's principles, not popularity and pragmatism.

[TomSea]

We have the most pro-life President ever.

A pro-life justice. Power turned back to the states to defund planned parenthood, planned parenthood defunded if not for the Senate.  International agencies defunded $12 billion dollars. Trump has done well with the Evangelical vote.

[libertybele]

Conservatives do not support a monarchy or imperial presidency - despite the fact the vast majority of the population and both party leaderships do.

As we have had shoved right into our faces, 'winning the presidency', the House and Senate is worthless and useless as far as furthering Conservative principles with the GOP.

Definitely not what I was implying whatsoever.  Those in the House and Senate are very valuable in further conservative principles within the GOP. IMHO right now those conservative governors and conservatives congressmen at the state level are in large party who's holding this country together  This article is referencing replacing the party.  I'm merely pointing out that they have to be replaced with someone; someone willing to take their seats once vacated.  There is no guarantee that the same politician vacating a seat would win under a different party.  I've seen a couple instances where just the opposite has taken place. 

[libertybele]

Exactly right. 'winning' is the culmination of years of the 'lesser evil'... A liberal Republican in a chaotic, will-o-wisp White House, and a toothless Congress that can't find it's ass with either hand.

That's what winning for winning's sake brings.

True winning is something that advances one's principles, not popularity and pragmatism.

Of course, but winning to advance one's principles in this case is to ultimately win the presidency and to increase the conservative influx in Congress.

[INVAR]

We have the most pro-life President ever.

A pro-life justice. Power turned back to the states to defund planned parenthood, planned parenthood defunded if not for the Senate.  International agencies defunded $12 billion dollars. Trump has done well with the Evangelical vote.

You're freaking delusional and your propaganda is meaningless.

We know Trump is your political messiah.

He is not ours, and neither is the party he infiltrated and made his own.

[INVAR]

Definitely not what I was implying whatsoever.  Those in the House and Senate are very valuable in further conservative principles within the GOP. IMHO right now those conservative governors and conservatives congressmen at the state level are in large party who's holding this country together  This article is referencing replacing the party.  I'm merely pointing out that they have to be replaced with someone; someone willing to take their seats once vacated.  There is no guarantee that the same politician vacating a seat would win under a different party.  I've seen a couple instances where just the opposite has taken place.

It is time to separate and be done with them.    You're arguing the same thing the Loyalists were back in the 1770s.

No more Olive Branch Petitions.  No more prostrations before the leadership.   No more trying to 'work within the system to change it'.

It is diseased and corrupt to the core.  There is no saving it without further spreading the infection to others.

[TomSea]

You're freaking delusional and your propaganda is meaningless.

We know Trump is your political messiah.

He is not ours, and neither is the party he infiltrated and made his own.

I will accept your vitriolic words and personal attacks if it furthers the pro-life cause. I see you said nothing on the issue but just glossed over them.  It is your position that is dubious. I consider myself a pro-lifer and object heartily to your saying he is my messiah. Trump won the Evangelical vote big time.

[driftdiver]

It is time to separate and be done with them.    You're arguing the same thing the Loyalists were back in the 1770s.

No more Olive Branch Petitions.  No more prostrations before the leadership.   No more trying to 'work within the system to change it'.

It is diseased and corrupt to the core.  There is no saving it without further spreading the infection to others.

@INVAR
You sound just like Obama.   You must break the system if you want to rebuild it.   At least he realizes that if you break our existing system it sure won't be replaced with one adhering to Constitutional provisions.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

"Bible obsessives"

As if that's an insult.  I WISH I was more obsessed with the Bible.

You'd think he'd have learned from the epic fail when he called us "bitter clingers".

[truth_seeker]

http://home.conservativepartyusa.org/

There are conservative parties in New York, New Jersey, Virginia and S. Carolina. In New York it splits between endorsing Republican candidates and running its own, mostly the former.

And there were the parties of McMuffin, and of Castle.

As stated previously they managed under 1 million votes, which was also under ONE percent.

Those are already established parties. The Libertarian Party was also mentioned HERE, during the campaign and it got far more votes than the two previously mentioned. Thirteen candidates competed for that existing party's nomination, including pothead Johnson.

It would be anther brilliant idea, to split the center-right votes into many small buckets, for every "principle."

The only things LESS EFFECTIVE, than the GOP are those 3rd/4th parties.

Constitution Party founded 1991. McMuffin was independent. Perrenial gadboy Tom Hoefling contested for the Constitution Party nomination, but lost to Castle.

Ross Perot may have cost the GOP the Presidency in 1992, giving Clinton his start. Buchanan could have cost the GOP the Presidency in 2000, Florida.

Oh wait we're not supposed to focus on the "principle" of winning.

Most of this is a bunch of silliness. Does Hoefling even have a job?

Time for kooks to double, triple their efforts to secure ballot status, however. Even quadruple. 

[INVAR]

I will accept your vitriolic words and personal attacks if it furthers the pro-life cause. I see you said nothing on the issue but just glossed over them.

The OP has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion or Trump's position on it.  You said NOTHING in regards to the OP Codevilla wrote. 

You are not hijacking my thread with your ad nauseum pontifications about Trump being the messiah for the unborn.

I consider myself a pro-lifer and object heartily to your saying he is my messiah. Trump won the Evangelical vote big time.

Your own words and pandering about Trump as some kind of warrior for the unborn hardly belay my assertion.  You bought into a false prophet.

[Jazzhead]

You're freaking delusional and your propaganda is meaningless.

Now THERE's an example of projection. 

[txradioguy]

Pro-Life Conservatives do, President Trump has already made accomplishments in this and Planned Parenthood would have been defunded had the Senate had it together.

There is no proof that you are speaking for conservatism.

There is no proof your Lord Trump is what you say he is either.

Continuing to repeat the lie won't change reality.

[TomSea]

The OP has absolutely NOTHING to do with abortion or Trump's position on it.  You said NOTHING in regards to the OP Codevilla wrote. 

You are not hijacking my thread with your ad nauseum pontifications about Trump being the messiah for the unborn.

Your own words and pandering about Trump as some kind of warrior for the unborn hardly belay my assertion.  You bought into a false prophet.

Excuse me, this Codevilla is asserting the GOP needs to be replaced.

They are the biggest political pro-life supporters around, so if this idiot Codevilla says the GOP should be replaced, then, he should have to deal with it.

First you tried bullying, then personal attacks and now you are showing cowardice by trying to say it is off-topic. Sorry, the mods can tell me that if that is so. I won't take your words for it.

There is no reason to believe you are a Conservative.

[txradioguy]

I will accept your vitriolic words and personal attacks if it furthers the pro-life cause. I see you said nothing on the issue but just glossed over them.  It is your position that is dubious. I consider myself a pro-lifer and object heartily to your saying he is my messiah. Trump won the Evangelical vote big time.

Repeat a lie often enough. 

[truth_seeker]

Right now it translates into a lack of votes and no mandate.
How else to explain a 'winning' 26% of the population where well more than 60% of that total population declares itself Conservative?

There are far more Conservatives standing outside of the Republican party than in it.
If it were about votes, y'all would be serving Conservatism.

A poll I saw recently, 15% of self-identifying "conservatives," voted for Hillary. So that overused word, means many things to different people.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

An alternative to the Republican party will take time.  I probably won't see it in my lifetime.  I don't even know if we could get to the point of enough votes for the federal matching funding, which IMO is the first crucial step.

So, pick the slightly worse choice (do what's "best" for ME), or vote principle even though I'll never see the end result?  It's a tough choice.

I will say there's only one side that thinks insulting me is going to win me over, and that's having the exact opposite effect.

[txradioguy]

A poll I saw recently, 15% of self-identifying "conservatives," voted for Hillary. So that overused word, means many things to different people.

And exit polls in 2004 had Kerry winning in a landslide.

[TomSea]

Repeat a lie often enough. 

@txradioguy
You don't have rubbish,  so you do a personal attack.

Seeing the other fake conservatives, you may be applauded but it doesn't change the fact,

Trump is prolife and many voters voted for that and Trump has excelled at that.

[driftdiver]

An alternative to the Republican party will take time.  I probably won't see it in my lifetime.  I don't even know if we could get to the point of enough votes for the federal matching funding, which IMO is the first crucial step.

So, pick the slightly worse choice (do what's "best" for ME), or vote principle even though I'll never see the end result?  It's a tough choice.

I will say there's only one side that thinks insulting me is going to win me over, and that's having the exact opposite effect.

Conservatives are supposed to be the Christians ones but we all need to show more grace

[aligncare]

I will accept your vitriolic words and personal attacks if it furthers the pro-life cause. I see you said nothing on the issue but just glossed over them.  It is your position that is dubious. I consider myself a pro-lifer and object heartily to your saying he is my messiah. Trump won the Evangelical vote big time.

Nearly seven in ten evangelicals voted for Trump. That doesn't look too good for values voters, does it?

I guess American Christianity must be facing a crisis of conscience, given so many evangelicals voted for amorality and sin when they pulled the lever for Trump. 

How do I come up with this stuff? The authorities right here who know with certainty how Christ would have voted.