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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #125 on: August 12, 2017, 11:22:16 pm »
Quote from: Rivergirl on August 12, 2017, 10:59:46 pm
Seems we have people here embracing a moral equivalence between the white supremacists and the protesters.

To that amorphous comment. I will point out that the white supremacists had a permit to assemble. Antifa and BLM show up to do what they do. They tried it  out on campus and had success. Now they take it to the streets.

What is not being discussed, that I have seen, is the police failure to protect the permitted and legal assembly; and they allowed an unpermitted, hence illegal march to proceed.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #126 on: August 12, 2017, 11:24:33 pm »
Quote from: AbaraXas on August 12, 2017, 11:14:34 pm

From that link:

I call BS on that. The video shows he took a three block running start at the people with plenty of places to turn off or around. This may be what his lawyer is advising him to say, but that was obviously intentional.

Agreed, he wasn't running from anyone. He drove into an obvious mass of people at speed.

Charlottesville police chief says violence was "premeditated," suspect is in custody


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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #127 on: August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm »
Quote from: Rivergirl on August 12, 2017, 10:59:46 pm
Seems we have people here embracing a moral equivalence between the white supremacists and the protesters.

In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #128 on: August 12, 2017, 11:34:04 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm
In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.
I agree. Both stupid.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #129 on: August 12, 2017, 11:35:08 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm
In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.

What we need is Thunderdome.


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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #130 on: August 12, 2017, 11:36:54 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm
In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.

Would you abridge both their free speech rights?
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #131 on: August 12, 2017, 11:40:18 pm »
Quote from: don-o on August 12, 2017, 11:36:54 pm
Would you abridge both their free speech rights?

I would. Both have the right to speak. Neither has the right to incite violence.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #132 on: August 12, 2017, 11:41:43 pm »
The mods, etc. owner, should feel free at any time to update the headline here. It looks like it is going alright now but at some point, might be helpful.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2017, 11:52:56 pm »
Quote from: don-o on August 12, 2017, 11:36:54 pm
Would you abridge both their free speech rights?

Not at all, it's their 1st amendment right to be terminally stupid.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #135 on: August 12, 2017, 11:55:35 pm »
Just got finished listening to Congressman Brat on CNN.  He echoes my exact beliefs on this.  He should be the spokesman for the entire Republican Party.

He condemned the white supremacists, condemned the violence on both sides, and then asked the press where was and McAuliffe and CNN when 700 of this same "anti" crowd showed up inciting violence at one of his town halls and shut down free speech there.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #136 on: August 12, 2017, 11:57:11 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 12, 2017, 11:55:35 pm
Just got finished listening to Congressman Brat on CNN.  He echoes my exact beliefs on this.  He should be the spokesman for the entire Republican Party.

He condemned the white supremacists, condemned the violence on both sides, and then asked the press where was and McAuliffe and CNN when 700 of this same "anti" crowd showed up inciting violence at one of his town halls and shut down free speech there.

If he had any cajones, he'd called them out by name (BLM).
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #137 on: August 12, 2017, 11:59:17 pm »
Quote from: Freya on August 12, 2017, 11:45:23 pm
Time has linked the helicopter crash to the rally

http://time.com/4898351/helicopter-crashes-near-white-nationalist-rally-in-charlottesville/

Two dead from that.

Three dead from car- official

http://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/article166895372.html

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Officials say the deaths of two people in a helicopter crash near Charlottesville, Virginia, have been linked to a violent white nationalist rally earlier in the day.

"Officials say" is no longer sufficient for me.  They lie.   No reasons were given in the article for this assertion.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #138 on: August 13, 2017, 12:00:26 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm
In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.


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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #139 on: August 13, 2017, 12:01:22 am »
Quote from: Restored on August 12, 2017, 11:40:18 pm
I would. Both have the right to speak. Neither has the right to incite violence.

Tough policing would prevent things from getting out of hand.

Chief Craig in Detroit is really good with this sort of thing starting with handing out fliers with his list of rules at the start of every march or rally. He knows the locals and knows who the trouble makers are. He recognizes the outsiders and wisely assumes they're trouble makers. If they so much as jaywalk or litter they're immediately arrested and put on the bus and may be held for as much as 72 hours without charges.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #140 on: August 13, 2017, 12:06:41 am »
WaPo finally IDs the assailant:

The Dodge Challenger is registered to 20-year-old James Alex Fields of Ohio, according to vehicle registration records reviewed by The Washington Post. Albemarle-Charlottesville Regional Jail Superintendent Martin Kumer told The Post that a man with the same name and age was booked Saturday on suspicion of second-degree murder, malicious wounding, failure to stop for an accident involving a death, and hit and run. Kumer said Fields is currently being held without bail.  .  .  .

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #141 on: August 13, 2017, 12:13:07 am »
Quote from: EasyAce on August 12, 2017, 09:51:01 pm
It still seems to escape the (I hate to use a four letter word when there are ladies present) mind
of too many that Donaldus Minimus has had critics on the right for longer than he got involved
as first a candidate and then president, and that as president he has still had numerous
enough critics on the right.

About his remarks regarding Charlottesville, I agree with @endicom - he delivered an infield
hit instead of a three-run homer. And that assent comes from one of Donaldus Minimus's
critics on the right.

Maybe he, (Trump) will stop by here the next time for a prepared speech, written by forum members?!
That way he can please everyone! *****rollingeyes*****
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #142 on: August 13, 2017, 12:15:03 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 12, 2017, 11:32:23 pm
In my eyes, not a lick of difference between KKK and BLM.  Both scum that I wish would evaporate off the face of the earth.

Except I dont see this as a KKK/WN vs. BLM. The anti-white supremist side included many groups and people belonging to no group at all.  Yes, I am sure BLM was there as well as the other usual suspects in large protest, but so were a lot of people not part of these groups that just wont tolerate public demonstrations of KKK and White Nationalist who are bringing violence to town.

In any event this was a traggic day
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #143 on: August 13, 2017, 12:20:17 am »
Quote from: NavyCanDo on August 13, 2017, 12:15:03 am

Yes, I am sure BLM was there as well

If you look at the media pics of the protest, there sure seemed to be a significant amount of BLM signs. 

My point is, that I bet there were some non-affiliated folks there, but counter-protests of this nature doesn't just pop up out of the blue.  Someone has to be organizing, and my bets are on the BLM pukes.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #144 on: August 13, 2017, 12:25:09 am »
Quote from: mrclose on August 13, 2017, 12:13:07 am
Maybe he, (Trump) will stop by here the next time for a prepared speech, written by forum members?!
That way he can please everyone! *****rollingeyes*****

Aw Jeez, this is a no-brainer.  Any time an opportunity comes up to slam the KKK, any Republican should jump on it.  Toss in the names of a few Democrats who opposed civil rights, and then call for renaming of the Richard B Russell Senate Building.  This is always a slam dunk win for the GOP because it exposes the lie of Democrats being the champions of civil rights.

Trump blew it.  Big time.  The only narrative you will hear from this point on is how Trump didn't condemn white supremacists.

Civil rights is a winning issue for the GOP.  It is the reason this party was founded to begin with.  Republicans led the fight to end slavery.  Republicans led the fight to end lynching.  Republicans led the fight against segregation.  Republicans led the fight to pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1950s, and Republicans got the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.  So hell yes, a Republican President should be condemning those Klucker bastards in terms that would even make Democrats cower.

But not Trump.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #145 on: August 13, 2017, 12:25:47 am »
Quote from: mrclose on August 13, 2017, 12:13:07 am
Maybe he, (Trump) will stop by here the next time for a prepared speech, written by forum members?!

@INVAR you up to the task?
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #146 on: August 13, 2017, 12:33:26 am »
Quote from: Hoodat on August 13, 2017, 12:25:09 am
Aw Jeez, this is a no-brainer.  Any time an opportunity comes up to slam the KKK, any Republican should jump on it.  Toss in the names of a few Democrats who opposed civil rights, and then call for renaming of the Richard B Russell Senate Building.  This is always a slam dunk win for the GOP because it exposes the lie of Democrats being the champions of civil rights.

Trump blew it.  Big time.  The only narrative you will hear from this point on is how Trump didn't condemn white supremacists.

Civil rights is a winning issue for the GOP.  It is the reason this party was founded to begin with.  Republicans led the fight to end slavery.  Republicans led the fight to end lynching.  Republicans led the fight against segregation.  Republicans led the fight to pass Civil Rights legislation in the 1950s, and Republicans got the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.  So hell yes, a Republican President should be condemning those Klucker bastards in terms that would even make Democrats cower.

But not Trump.

When a fire is lit you don't pour gasoline on it to put it out.
If all of that needs to be said, it can be said later when all of the facts come out.

Obama and the dems are famous for pouring the gas when calm is called for!

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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #147 on: August 13, 2017, 12:33:55 am »
@ the local brewery on cell suffering from large hand syndrone.
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #148 on: August 13, 2017, 12:37:17 am »
Quote from: corbe on August 13, 2017, 12:33:55 am
@ the local brewery on cell suffering from large hand syndrone.

With a touch of EPS?
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Re: The battle of Charlottesville: At least two seriously hurt in clashes between white nationalists and counter-protesters at massive march in Virginia as governor warns public to 'stay away'
« Reply #149 on: August 13, 2017, 12:46:36 am »
Quote from: catfish1957 on August 13, 2017, 12:20:17 am
If you look at the media pics of the protest, there sure seemed to be a significant amount of BLM signs. 

My point is, that I bet there were some non-affiliated folks there, but counter-protests of this nature doesn't just pop up out of the blue.  Someone has to be organizing, and my bets are on the BLM pukes.


The media got what it wanted.
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