Trump Admin Takes First Step Toward Slapping Huge Tariff On Chinese Aluminum Foil

[goodwithagun]

Trump has eschewed chess and is playing three dimensional go! with the Chinese.

At this point, it's three dimensional Hungry, Hungry Hippos.

[Suppressed]

So if a country uses slave labor to keep costs down, should we just allow them to dump their products on our market?

Slave labor, meaning The State coming in and taking the fruits of a worker's labor>

Like... The State setting a tariff, meaning a consumer must -- against his will -- pay more of the fruits of his labor for the benefit of others.

People can voluntarily boycott that country's products.  But a tariff means you're talking about forcing the consumer to boycott* -- at gunpoint, as it's instituted in law.  Attempting to evade the tariff is smuggling, and you will feel the full force of The State against you.  Ergo, the tariff is a form of slave labor to meet The State's goals.


*if you're going to say that it's not a boycott because they can choose to buy it, then where's that hurting the slave labor?

[dfwgator]

I agree that there should be a cost/benefit analysis done with regards to tariffs, and usually they don't make economic sense.  But that doesn't mean they should never be used.

And also, there are national security issues to consider.

Imagine if we got most of our steel from Japan in the 1930s.    Where would we have been?

[Free Vulcan]

The American consumer.

It's the US Government stepping in and doing a wealth transfer from the American consumer to corporations that can't compete.

Put enough weight on my ankles and a 90lb grandmother in a walker could outrun me. This isn't a competition issue. I can't believe how good we actually do compete considering how much American businesses are hindered by the govt.

That said, enforcing trade agreements should be combined with tax and regulatory reform.

[Bigun]

Put enough weight on my ankles and a 90lb grandmother in a walker could outrun me. This isn't a competition issue. I can't believe how good we actually do compete considering how much American businesses are hindered by the govt.

That said, enforcing trade agreements should be combined with tax and regulatory reform.

   and    It's like they aren't on our side or something.

[bigheadfred]

Drats. Foiled again.

[GtHawk]

At this point, it's three dimensional Hungry, Hungry Hippos.

Nice imagery, but I loathe that game, it was designed to do only one thing, make irritating noise.

[Suppressed]

Nice imagery, but I loathe that game, it was designed to do only one thing, make irritating noise.

[Cripplecreek]

Slave labor, meaning The State coming in and taking the fruits of a worker's labor>

Like... The State setting a tariff, meaning a consumer must -- against his will -- pay more of the fruits of his labor for the benefit of others.

People can voluntarily boycott that country's products.  But a tariff means you're talking about forcing the consumer to boycott* -- at gunpoint, as it's instituted in law.  Attempting to evade the tariff is smuggling, and you will feel the full force of The State against you.  Ergo, the tariff is a form of slave labor to meet The State's goals.


*if you're going to say that it's not a boycott because they can choose to buy it, then where's that hurting the slave labor?

The British didn't have a problem with the colonists getting their tea elsewhere. The British had a problem with the colonists evading the tariffs they imposed.

A few years earlier Ben Franklin explained to the British that colonists once bought British goods with pride but now (1766) the colonists would rather wear rags than buy British goods.

Q. What used to be the pride of the Americans?
A. To indulge in the fashions and manufactures of Great Britain.

Q. What is now their pride?
A. To wear their old clothes over again, till they can make new ones.

http://www.learner.org/courses/amerhistory/interactives/sources/E2/e1/sources/5602.php

[Hoodat]

Now I can expect the price of aluminum foil to go up?  The money the Chinese government was paying me to buy their aluminum foil (which I then spent on other stuff) will no longer be available (which means I can no longer buy the other stuff).

Thank you, anti-free-traders.

[dfwgator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJxDz2y59E0

[Cripplecreek]

Now I can expect the price of aluminum foil to go up?  The money the Chinese government was paying me to buy their aluminum foil (which I then spent on other stuff) will no longer be available (which means I can no longer buy the other stuff).

Thank you, anti-free-traders.

With my fall home construction projects coming up I can't tell you how thrilled I am to be paying more to cover the tariffs on lumber.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

 :thumbsup3:

 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Free Trade?

https://ustr.gov/about-us/policy-offices/press-office/fact-sheets/2016/november/us-fact-sheet-27th-us-china-joint

Trade is a voluntary agreement.

Fraud in the transaction (or needing Govt support) negates the concept of it being Free or an Exchange.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Article 1 Section 8 Clause 1

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, Duties, Imposts, and Excises."

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/impost

 [im-pohst]

    Word Origin

See more synonyms on Thesaurus.com
noun
1.
a tax; tribute; duty.
2.
a customs duty.


So the price of a hostile foreign Govt supported roll of tin foil trumps the Constitution, and MY posts "turned this thread to s**t"?

[Suppressed]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJxDz2y59E0

Lol!

[Suppressed]

Now I can expect the price of aluminum foil to go up?  The money the Chinese government was paying me to buy their aluminum foil (which I then spent on other stuff) will no longer be available (which means I can no longer buy the other stuff).

Thank you, anti-free-traders.

They don't care how it hurts Americans or the economy, as long as it lines the pockets of unions and big business owners.

They want to take us back to when America's economy was in fledge. I guess it got too strong for their tastes.

They feel the American Standard of Living is too good...gotta knock it down a peg or two, it seems.


"Oh, China is subsidizing!"

Yeah, they are paying part of the bill for us.  So what do we say? "Nope...that's saving us money. We want to pay more!"

 

[Cripplecreek]

They don't care how it hurts Americans or the economy, as long as it lines the pockets of unions and big business owners.

They want to take us back to when America's economy was in fledge. I guess it got to strong for their tastes.

They feel the American Standard of Living is too good...gotta knock it down a peg or two, it seems.


"Oh, China is subsidizing!"

Yeah, they are paying part of the bill for us.  So what do we say? "Nope...that's saving us money. We want to pay more!"

 

Fortunately I now have a service industry job in a medical facility. When the idiots manage to get themselves laid off, I'll still be working.

[Suppressed]

Fortunately I now have a service industry job in a medical facility. When the idiots manage to get themselves laid off, I'll still be working.

But you'll still get stuck paying the higher prices the anti-free-traders want to force onto us!

Did my autocorrect actually make it say "got to strong"?! Dangit!

[Cripplecreek]

But you'll still get stuck paying the higher prices the anti-free-traders want to force onto us!

Did my autocorrect actually make it say "got to strong"?! Dangit!

Oh yeah I'm well aware of that.

Still better than what they'll do to themselves however if recent behavior is any indication they'll just call for a living wage for all to be paid for by those who are still working.

[bigheadfred]

Oh yeah I'm well aware of that.

Still better than what they'll do to themselves however if recent behavior is any indication they'll just call for a living wage for all to be paid for by those who are still working.

Man, I work. Don't know if it is a living wage.