California Goes All In - 100 Percent Renewable Energy By 2045

[thackney]

California Goes All In - 100 Percent Renewable Energy By 2045
https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2017/08/01/california-goes-all-in-100-percent-renewable-energy-by-2045/#7133f97a570f

California is one step closer to a 100 percent renewable future, one that aims to reduce pollution and cut carbon emissions, while increasing jobs in the renewable energy field.

The ambitious plan set forth by Senate President Kevin de León (D) would set limits on California's hydrocarbon consumption and aim to gradually increase renewable energy consumption in the coming decades. It would set in place a goal to produce 50 percent renewable energy by 2030 and 100 percent renewable energy by 2045.

California has the largest GDP of any state in the United States at $2.6 trillion, roughly 14 percent of the entire nation's GDP. A transition of California's powerhouse economy to 100 percent renewables is a monumental task and will make it hard for other states to not take notice. Massachusetts is another state that is considering a bill requiring 100 percent renewable energy use by 2050....

If California passes the legislation it will sit alongside Hawaii as the only two states that require by law 100 percent renewable energy use by 2045. However, there are stark contrasts between Hawaii and California. Hawaii is not a hydrocarbon producing state, which means it must ship in hydrocarbons at high rates. Compare this with locally produced renewable energy and the economics start to look awfully appealing. In addition, Hawaii ranks 40th whereas California ranks 1st in terms of population. This means California will require significantly more energy infrastructure as compared to Hawaii.

[Joe Wooten]

100% renewable will not work in either case. Too intermittent and very low energy densities doom this pipe dream. Both states may as well put a gun to their heads and go out much faster.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

am glad to see it.

We need a more concrete example of the failure of idealism from renewables.

It will give other states a good reason not to go that way.

[thackney]

100% renewable will not work in either case. Too intermittent and very low energy densities doom this pipe dream. Both states may as well put a gun to their heads and go out much faster.

Energy storage cost, combined with the cost of massive amount of non-dispatchable energy sources required would price nearly all businesses out of the state.

[RoosGirl]

California has a lot of coastline.  Let them build huge plants to harvest the wave energy.  They can pay for it by taxing every waterfront property.  The wind up in the mountains of CA must be pretty good, let them build a forest of wind turbines to harvest the wind energy.  They can pay for it by taxing every property with an elevation higher than 33 feet above sea level.

[Free Vulcan]

They better hope for some miracle advances in energy tech.

Right now windmills dot a good chunk of the northern half of Iowa. They supply a max 15% of our energy when the wind is going strong. Iowa has 3.2 million people.

Chicagoland has 9.6 million people. You'd need at least 21 times the number of wind turbines in Iowa now all running at peak, just to supply those numbers. This doesn't account for any disparities in industrial and commercial load per capita between the two states.

I would expect Chicago to be much heavier on industry and commercial load, jacking the number of needed wind turbines much higher.

[The_Reader_David]

Can we just expel them from the US?  Keeping control over some naval bases, of course.  They'd be happier and the rest of us would be, too.

Or maybe we can encourage the California secession movement, and when they win a plebsecite, Congress can pass legislation implementing terms of secession:  the naval bases, plebescites in border counties to allow them to leave California and join neighboring states, and a free trade agreement (too many supply chains have links in CA to put of a hard border even if they're gone).

[skeeter]

Just how I wanted to spend my golden years - living in the hills and fighting as an insurgent.

[MajorClay]

Good luck w that.

Back to the stone age.   

[Wingnut]

The mexican majority inhabitants will enjoy the place.  Just like home.  A third word state.

[thackney]

The mexican majority inhabitants will enjoy the place.  Just like home.  A third word state.

Cooking over a dung fire is a renewable energy source.

[guitar4jesus]

Cooking over a dung fire is a renewable energy source.

 

[truth_seeker]

The mexican majority inhabitants will enjoy the place.  Just like home.  A third word state.

Both Texas and California have the SAME percent of residents that self-identify as Hispanic. About 37%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/31/10-demographic-trends-that-are-shaping-the-u-s-and-the-world/

[Wingnut]

Both Texas and California have the SAME percent of residents that self-identify as Hispanic. About 37%.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/03/31/10-demographic-trends-that-are-shaping-the-u-s-and-the-world/

But california has one thing Texas doesn't.    An  ass load of liberal open border lawmakers hell bent on destroying the once great state of california. 

[truth_seeker]

But california has one thing Texas doesn't.    An  ass load of liberal open border lawmakers hell bent on destroying the once great state of california.

Both states are on the same trend lines. If I was a Texan, I would note the demographics which impact both places.

Most of these trends, merely hit California first. Then Texas a few years later.

[Elderberry]

CRUDE OIL IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE

 

IT MAY SEEM HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT CRUDE OIL ACTUALLY IS A RENEWABLE RESOURCE, AND IT IS BEING RENEWED RIGHT NOW QUITE NATURALLY.

FIRST WE NEED TO DISPENSE WITH THE MISBEGOTTEN IDEA MY 4TH GRADE TEACHER PROCLAIMED, "CRUDE OIL COMES FROM DINOSAURS". AT 9 YEARS OLD I KNEW SHE WAS OUT TO LUNCH. JUST HOW IS IT BILLIONS OF DINOSAURS WOULD COME TOGETHER AND BECOME BURIED BEFORE THEY HAD A CHANCE TO ROT, LEAVING BEHIND JUST THE OIL?

THE REAL SOURCE OF CRUDE OIL WAS ESTABLISHED THROUGH AN EXPERIMENT PERFORMED BY A COMPANY IN HOUSTON IN 2004. THEY DECIDED TO TEST A RUSSIAN THEORY DATING FROM THE 1960S THAT STATES THAT CRUDE OIL COMES FROM PLANKTON IN THE SEA. HERE IS THE THEORY:

PHYTOPLANKTON PERFORM PHOTOSYNTHESIS AND ABSORB CO2 FROM THE AIR. THE PHYTOPLANKTON ARE EATEN BY ZOOPLANKTON THAT PRODUCE TINY SHELLS. WHEN THE ZOOPLANKTON DIE, THEY FALL TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. THEIR ORGANIC MATTER ROTS, BUT THEIR SHELLS LEAVE BEHIND CALCIUM CARBONATE, CaCO3, A DURABLE CARBON CONTAINING COMPOUND. OVER MILLIONS OF YEARS THE CALCIUM CARBONATE BECOMES BONDED TOGETHER INTO SOLID MARBLE OR LIMESTONE.

SOMETIMES THAT MARBLE IS THRUST UP OUT OF THE SEA AS IT IS IN PLACES LIKE VERMONT. IN OTHER AREAS, IT CAN BE THRUST DOWN INTO THE EARTH (SUBDUCTED). WHEN IT REACHES A DEPTH OF ABOUT 60 MILES, THE EXTREME PRESSURE AND HEAT CAUSES CALCIUM CARBONATE TO REACT WITH WATER AND IRON OXIDE TO PRODUCE NATURAL GAS (METHANE, CH4). WHEN IT REACHES A DEPTH OF ABOUT 100 MILES, CRUDE OIL IS PRODUCED.

http://www.omichron.com/renewablecrude.html

[truth_seeker]

More like not dinosaurs, but tiny dead organisms in streams which get laid down on stream, lake and ocean floors, compressed under subsequent layers, etc.