New Majestic Document Reveals US Diplomatic Relations with Extraterrestrials

[bigheadfred]

Thanks, Fred, I'll check into it!

It looks interesting, frankly. I'm leery of what seem like almost cultish aspects, but I will check further and see what evidence he has.

Try this video. I follow some sacred geometry/archeoastronomy stuff. Not into the cult aspects except in opposition to the cults.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_9na0-mwA&t=9607s

[bigheadfred]

Please excuse the thread hijack, @Quix.

I think that UFOs, aliens, ancient civilization, ancient catastrophes, giants, etc. are all inextricably intertwined. I'm trying to put it all in one package, mostly for my own enlightenment.

[Quix]

Thanks, Fred, I'll check into it!

It looks interesting, frankly. I'm leery of what seem like almost cultish aspects, but I will check further and see what evidence he has.

I have a similar aversion to the cultish stuff.

HOWEVER,  it is, imho, inextricably wrapped up in the whole shebang.

The Nazi's were clearly into occult stuff and that was a key aspect of their interactions with the critters pre and during WWII.

Occult, at it's foundational definition, = hidden. Certainly satan has been  hiding stuff, deceiving about stuff from his beginning as the dark lord. A major strategy of his efforts at such have involved various cultish movements over the centuries--from at least Babylon, onward.

THE BABYLON CODE: SOLVING THE BIBLE'S GREATEST END TIMES  MYSTERY by Paul McGuire is a good lengthy summary of a lot of such stuff.

I don't think there is a functional way to steer clear of the cultish stuff wound up with the UFO  & critter stuff. I think the most we can do is prayerfully and Biblically, with Holy Spirit's help--do what we can to sort out the fly specks from the pepper.

And, actually, whenever we notice a cultish aspect, we can be reasonably certain that the satanic; the occult; the Great Deception; and the oligarchy not far removed from such aspects.

There's more than a little evidence that the leading elite are intensely wound up in the occult and out-right cultish elements of such--to the point of buggering & sacrificing toddler boys to satan as part of their initiation into the upper ranks.

[Quix]

Try this video. I follow some sacred geometry/archeoastronomy stuff. Not into the cult aspects except in opposition to the cults.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta_9na0-mwA&t=9607s

Thanks for the link & video. I hope to get to it later today. Looks interesting.

[Quix]

As you may have noticed, I'm not all that rigid or strict about following the OP topic--as long as things are mostly kept within the larger topic area.

I think you are exactly right to realize that it's all wound up together. I didn't start out seeing it that way. But that's where the evidence has taken me. Now, it seems brazenly obvious.

Please excuse the thread hijack, @Quix.

I think that UFOs, aliens, ancient civilization, ancient catastrophes, giants, etc. are all inextricably intertwined. I'm trying to put it all in one package, mostly for my own enlightenment.

[Quix]

Hiding things in plain sight has been a reliable & effective strategy in the UFO field for decades.

This is particularly true in terms of the use by the CIA of movies etc. This was true from at least the original radio show WAR OF THE WORLDS through THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, Star Wars, Star Trek and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE 3RD KIND.

It has long been a successful practice to condition the population by presenting facts as fiction.

[BassWrangler]

I think what it comes down to are three things.

1. Some people are limited in their intelligence and can't wrap their minds around it.

2. It causes others fear at a deep level--they can't handle the truth.

3. They are powerless against it so they dismiss it.

Tesla's, and others, pioneering work, may have alerted some to our existence, but others have been around for a long time. Some may be somewhat benign, and I am going to read into this,  Many of these are dangerous not for organized hostile intentions, but some are organized with hostile intentions. Those have been around , again, for a long time, and their bad intentions have beeen at the root of a lot of evil in this world. Those plans are coming to a culmination. Or being forced to some type of climax. Perhaps by the Second Coming.

I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.

I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".

[Quix]

I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.

I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".

imho, your assertions are extremely over-wrought, exaggerated and somewhat just plain 180 degrees from fact--simply wrong.

Perhaps Dr Sala is not a Nobel Prize winner from Harvard.

Nevertheless, the head of Harvard's psychiatric hospital was exceedingly qualified and was STILL derisively dismissed as a quack by folks with your sort of perspective. Bias, tunnel vision, ignorance, normalcy bias etc still reign supreme in many lives.

Dr Sala DID seriously, solidly, meticulously do the grunt work similar to that which Stanton Friedman  is  such an excellent example of doing so frequently in the field. Dr Sala meticulously tracked down the hard VERIFIABLE proof of the documents William Tompkins provided in his book. Every last one of them he managed to research  proved out to be 100% reliable and factual exactly as William Tompkins had asserted. He DID work where he said he did. He DID work at the sorts of things he said he worked at. etc. etc. etc.

Denial of facts does not neuter the facts nor make them false.

there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists"

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That is simply  NOT TRUE.
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Your lack of awareness of such facts does not neuter the facts.
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Your lack of fitting, fair-minded appreciation of and respect for the facts does not neuter the facts.
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There's been tons of objective supporting evidence provided by very high ranking military, scientific et al personnel involved first hand with the critters and the technology. There's been far more such evidence than routinely convicts murderers to the death chamber.
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And the last year or so, there's even been solid documentation of various aspects of the technical aspects of the craft and related technologies. Some of such documentation has been included with patents and working models etc.
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Besides that, the sheer numbers of people involved--as victims of abductions and as staff in government and military projects working with the critters and technology--the sheer numbers of those thousands of people are incredible. It is no  surprise that a sampling of those numbers have included very serious disclosures from whistle-blowers from  those thousands of people.
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You can deny the validity of all that testimony if it helps you sleep better. It won't change the facts.
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Thoughtful, perceptive, fair-minded, balanced folks are  not so victimized by the defense of denial.
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The debunkers--professional government paid--and the  volunteered religiously compelled/philosophically compelled/ psychodynamically compelled folks can deny 24/7/365 days a year. It will not change the facts.
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More sadly, it will not significantly, if at all, delay the overt manifestations of such phenomena scheduled in the not too distant future.
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You can call William Thompkin's assertions and facts 'fanciful announcements' if you wish. It merely shows your lack of knowledge, your ignorance. Even checking  his facts out 3-5% would reveal that broadside to be fanciful hogwash of the silliest sort.
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There have been  many dozens of others of similar rank, scientific training and experience who have disclosed solid facts in sobering official testimony, articles, interviews etc. Write them all off as nutters, if you wish. It merely reveals your perspective to be the nutty one.
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Even  Ocham's razor is on the side of those who accept UFO's and critters as real.
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You might consider decreasing your consumption of the  oligarchy's Kool-Aid.
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Though it won't  likely matter a great deal as they oligarchy is planning to change the recipe before too long, anyway.
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[Smokin Joe]

@Quix

Though it won't  likely matter a great deal as they oligarchy is planning to change the recipe before too long, anyway.
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This year's science fiction is next year's tech toy, if not in full production.

[Quix]

@Quix
This year's science fiction is next year's tech toy, if not in full production.

Plenty True. And probably more true than we guess.

[bigheadfred]

I think it comes down to one thing: there is no objective, supporting evidence ever presented by any of these "ufologists". Just the usual fanciful announcements, pseudo-science, and blurry, inconclusive photos. Until we have that, everything else is at best an entertaining fiction, and at worse a deliberate hoax.

I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there. But all these whackadoodles that Qix quotes aren't tapped into anything other than fancy and fraud. Dr. Michael Scalla? Please, this is some clown with a PhD in "Government".

I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there

One of the things that interest me is the nature of reality. There are a very many people in the world who are exactly like you in one respect. Pics or it didn't happen. Myself included, hard evidence that I can hold in my hands or it isn't "real". It doesn't become part of your reality until that happens. It covers all aspects of life. What makes a secret society a secret society? They hold some esoteric knowledge that they think sets them apart, or above, other people. Our own government operates, in many ways, and I would say that it is, a secret society.

It is the same for many religions. High priests, popes, shamans, etc., who have set themselves up as somehow more able to communicate with a higher power than any other person.

The same for monarchies. Power granted by self said same higher power to the "worthy" few.

The same for anything out there that sets itself up as being over anything else because of some closely held knowledge or information.

But that doesn't stop, in reality, anyone else from coming into that same knowledge.

Mathematics define a cetain (type) of reality.

If you believe in intelligent design, and you believe in yourself, then that lives a heck of a lot of room in between.

In my studies of spirituality, religion, the paranormal, history, and science, I can accept the existence and presence of ET's, spirits, entities, God, angels, demons, etc. I have researched it, thought about it, and reached my own conclusions. They are all part of my reality.

So, in that respect, you lack my knowledge, and therefore cannot accept my reality. I have respect for yours, but IMO, you simply lack knowledge. I, just a simply,  disagree with your reality.

[Quix]

THANKS for putting  it much better & more charitably.

I say this as one who believes that the mathematics of the universe make it likely that there are other intelligent species out there

One of the things that interest me is the nature of reality. There are a very many people in the world who are exactly like you in one respect. Pics or it didn't happen. Myself included, hard evidence that I can hold in my hands or it isn't "real". It doesn't become part of your reality until that happens. It covers all aspects of life. What makes a secret society a secret society? They hold some esoteric knowledge that they think sets them apart, or above, other people. Our own government operates, in many ways, and I would say that it is, a secret society.

It is the same for many religions. High priests, popes, shamans, etc., who have set themselves up as somehow more able to communicate with a higher power than any other person.

The same for monarchies. Power granted by self said same higher power to the "worthy" few.

The same for anything out there that sets itself up as being over anything else because of some closely held knowledge or information.

But that doesn't stop, in reality, anyone else from coming into that same knowledge.

Mathematics define a cetain (type) of reality.

If you believe in intelligent design, and you believe in yourself, then that lives a heck of a lot of room in between.

In my studies of spirituality, religion, the paranormal, history, and science, I can accept the existence and presence of ET's, spirits, entities, God, angels, demons, etc. I have researched it, thought about it, and reached my own conclusions. They are all part of my reality.

So, in that respect, you lack my knowledge, and therefore cannot accept my reality. I have respect for yours, but IMO, you simply lack knowledge. I, just a simply,  disagree with your reality.

[RoosGirl]

@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred

Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies.  I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter.  It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.

[bigheadfred]

@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred

Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies.  I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter.  It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.

One of the things I find interesting is when they talk about how the information is layered that transcends administrations, agencies, departments, etc. So there are presidents who have no direct knowledge of what is actually going on. I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. 

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind reply. I think I didn't communicate very well or clearly.

1. Out of the thousands of people working in the super secret black UFO related projects, there HAVE BEEN, ARE many hundreds to a few thousands of whistleblowers who have NOT kept their secrecy oaths.

2. The oligarchy bought out the major media/news organizations  in 1915 & 1917. Since then, they have deepened & broadened their reach.

3. They have also become much more refined, sophisticated, effective in their propagandizing the public toward the constructions on reality that render the public more controllable and vulnerable to manipulation in what the citizens do and in what they think.

4. That has been particularly effective in the RIDICULE strategy they have long ago implemented vis a vis the UFO stuff. They have made it inconsequential (mostly) that so many whistle blowers of such high and other ranks have 'spilled the beans.' The bulk of the public still thinks or at least pretends to think that it's all tin-foil hat bunk.

5. There are those in the know who assert that the strategy has been a very slow disclosure via 'hiding in plain sight' as well as being thickly involved in many block-buster movies about such topics etc. etc.

6. Such a disclosure is peppered enough with disinformation etc. that it contains a lot of 'plausible deniability' sorts of effects. If things get to hot or troublesome, they can pass it all of as a lot of nutty sci fi hogwash.

7. Nevertheless, there IS a huge degree of reality that HAS BEEN OUTTED. It is hard to draw clear boundaries as to what PRECISELY is true; what precisely is disinformation; where all the boundary lines are in the whole of "reality" as it is impacting us in this era.

8. My own belief, from studying it for 55  years, is that when the dust settles and everything is known, the most outlandish whistle-blower reports will turn out to have been very conservative compared to the true underlying realities.

9. Perhaps I could summarize by saying: Many officials and workers HAVE talked and ARE talking quite emphatically, accurately, factually more and more.

10. AND, evidently at least a major portion of the oligarchy has decided it is time  to deliberately out major chunks of the facts for the public to become aware of in preparation for even more shocking events on the near horizon.

11. I believe it is emphatically clear to most well informed folks on the topic that heads of government--at least of the oligarchy HAVE been meeting with various "representatives" off various "races" of the UFO type critters for decades. I have 0.0% doubt of that.


 

@Quix
@Smokin Joe
@bigheadfred

Thank you , gentlemen, for your kind replies.  I have said elsewhere that I have by no means done any research on this topic, as mostly there's no way of telling if the info you're reading is from a nutter.  It's not that I don't believe such critters exist as I have had my own "sighting", I just have a hard time believing that, what I imagine the number of people that must be 'in' on knowing about such things would be possible to keep them all quiet or discredit that many people, if the critters were meeting with heads of government.

[Quix]

One of the things I find interesting is when they talk about how the information is layered that transcends administrations, agencies, departments, etc. So there are presidents who have no direct knowledge of what is actually going on. I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. 

I agree.

That NEED TO KNOW criteria has been used ruthlessly, imho.

[RoosGirl]

I think you can believe that. A president that doesn't know what is going on. 

LOL. I have absolutely no trouble believing that!  Been there, done that, got the t-shirt!

[RoosGirl]

@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?

[bigheadfred]

@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?

Me thinketh the CFR-Council on Foreign Relations, was started in 1915. Don't know what 1917 is. The Federal Reserve was, I think, 1914.

[Quix]

@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?

The oligarchy bought out all the major newspaper organizations in those years.

[Quix]

Me thinketh the CFR-Council on Foreign Relations, was started in 1915. Don't know what 1917 is. The Federal Reserve was, I think, 1914.

They bought out all the major newspaper organizations those years.

[bigheadfred]

An article @RoosGirl

http://www.endtimesdaily.com/articles-1/no-004-the-c-f-r-control-of-major-media-sources

[Quix]

@Quix What happened in 1915 and 1917?

https://www.infowars.com/1917-j-p-morgan-bought-us-corporate-media-to-be-1%E2%80%99s-lying-sacks-of-spin/
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http://www.globalistagenda.org/quotes.htm

[RoosGirl]

The oligarchy bought out all the major newspaper organizations in those years.

Yes, what I wondered was if there was some impetus that made that happen in those years?

[bigheadfred]

Yes, what I wondered was if there was some impetus that made that happen in those years?

WWI.