Cruz floats amendment to Senate healthcare bill

[Sanguine]

Ted Cruz is no longer fighting to get rid of Obamacare "root and branch" any more.  He's looking to lower costs, reduce the rate of Medicaid increases and allow states to opt out of the essential benefits.

This ain't 2009 any more.

Not so.  He's trying to get an amendment added that will "root out" 0bamacare.

[txradioguy]

Ted Cruz is no longer fighting to get rid of Obamacare "root and branch" any more.  He's looking to lower costs, reduce the rate of Medicaid increases and allow states to opt out of the essential benefits.

This ain't 2009 any more.

Yeah sure he's not.  That's why he's one of the four opposing what the Senate is proposing right now.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Yeah sure he's not.  That's why he's one of the four opposing what the Senate is proposing right now.

Yes, Cruz wants additional changes to the Senate draft ..... most notably the right for states to opt out of essential benefits, which is a way to expand choice and offer lower premium plans.

He's changing Obamacare ... not uprooting it.  And that's because Cruz is learning the art of the possible.  Good for him; and us.

[Bigun]

Yes, Cruz wants additional changes to the Senate draft ..... most notably the right for states to opt out of essential benefits, which is a way to expand choice and offer lower premium plans.

He's changing Obamacare ... not uprooting it.  And that's because Cruz is learning the art of the possible.  Good for him; and us.

If insurance companies are allowed to sell plans that do not conform to the Obamacare mandates what do you think will VERY RAPIDLY happen to those plans that DO conform?

[Right_in_Virginia]

If insurance companies are allowed to sell plans that do not conform to the Obamacare mandates what do you think will VERY RAPIDLY happen to those plans that DO conform?

The less expensive plans will win.      But pre-existing condition coverage (most likely w/o penalties) and subsidies continue.  More less expensive plans do not remove government from health insurance/health care.

[Sanguine]

If insurance companies are allowed to sell plans that do not conform to the Obamacare mandates what do you think will VERY RAPIDLY happen to those plans that DO conform?

Three-dimensional chess, Bigun.

[Bigun]

The less expensive plans will win.      But pre-existing condition coverage (most likely w/o penalties) and subsidies continue.

At least until the next actual budget is written!

[Bigun]

Three-dimensional chess, Bigun.

I guess so! 

[Right_in_Virginia]

At least until the next actual budget is written!

Still a problem getting to 51 in the Senate.

[txradioguy]

Still a problem getting to 51 in the Senate.

So much for that "all we need is a majority in the house and senate to repeal Obamacare"
 


Someone will always find a way to justify NOT doing the right thing and getting rid of the ACA "root and branch".

And there will always be people that make excuses for those lying politicians as well.

[Bigun]

Still a problem getting to 51 in the Senate.

NO doubt about that!  Which is why MY preference is STILL to just resurrect the bill they put on Obama's desk last year and OUT the phonys for all to see!

[Right_in_Virginia]

NO doubt about that!  Which is why MY preference is STILL to just resurrect the bill they put on Obama's desk last year and OUT the phonys for all to see!

Now you know they can't do that @Bigun   This President would actually sign it.   

[Bigun]

Now you know they can't do that @Bigun   This President would actually sign it.   

I'm not so sure that he would but would LOVE to find out! 

[Right_in_Virginia]

I'm not so sure that he would but would LOVE to find out! 

The congresscritters won't risk it.

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

NO doubt about that!  Which is why MY preference is STILL to just resurrect the bill they put on Obama's desk last year and OUT the phonys for all to see!

It's a nice thought, but once they know a couple safe turncoats, say Collins and Murkowski, will vote Nay the rest can pretend.

[austingirl]

If the Republicans pass Obamacare light ( the billions in insurance subsidies) they have fallen right into the trap set by the dimocraps and will own this money-sucking entitlement.

5% of the populace have a pre-existing condition and they consume 50% of the healthcare. Health coverage for them is the priority. Insurance companies will have to soak the rest of us to pay for their codified "right" to healthcare.

[Bigun]

It's a nice thought, but once they know a couple safe turncoats, say Collins and Murkowski, will vote Nay the rest can pretend.

In that case Mike Pence would break the tie! 

[libertybele]

The House spent weeks on tweaking the bill and the Senate spent nearly 2 months on revamping the bill.  We have 4 strong conservatives obviously against the bill; and for good reason.  So ... instead of tweaking, amending, redrafting, etc., etc., for heaven's sake.  Repeal the dang thing already.  Use some of Paul's plan and some of Cruz's plan and get on with it!  It is my understanding that there is also a bill in the archives that was passed by both Houses which Bammy failed to sign. That bill could be used as well.  Playing in the backroom and blowing smoke isn't going to cut it anymore! 

[austingirl]

The House spent weeks on tweaking the bill and the Senate spent nearly 2 months on revamping the bill.  We have 4 strong conservatives obviously against the bill; and for good reason.  So ... instead of tweaking, amending, redrafting, etc., etc., for heaven's sake.  Repeal the dang thing already.  Use some of Paul's plan and some of Cruz's plan and get on with it!  It is my understanding that there is also a bill in the archives that was passed by both Houses which Bammy failed to sign. That bill could be used as well.  Playing in the backroom and blowing smoke isn't going to cut it anymore!

Great post!

[Sanguine]

Two of my favorite posters, right here!

[Mom MD]

I'm still puzzled at the reason that the Federal government must regulate health care.  I can't find that in the Constitution no where.

It's in the same section of the Constitution that gives a protected right to kill an unborn child.

[Mom MD]

The less expensive plans will win.      But pre-existing condition coverage (most likely w/o penalties) and subsidies continue.  More less expensive plans do not remove government from health insurance/health care.

Nor does it do anything about the millions added to the medicaid rolls

[The_Reader_David]

I'm still puzzled at the reason that the Federal government must regulate health care.  I can't find that in the Constitution no where.

Arguably there is an interstate market in health care -- people travel interstate to go to the Mayo Clinic or some of the major specialized hospitals in the New York metro area -- so the Commerce Clause applies, but there is no interstate market in health insurance (one of the problems we have), and Obamacare is almost entirely a scheme regulating health insurance.

[Chosen Daughter]

The House spent weeks on tweaking the bill and the Senate spent nearly 2 months on revamping the bill.  We have 4 strong conservatives obviously against the bill; and for good reason.  So ... instead of tweaking, amending, redrafting, etc., etc., for heaven's sake.  Repeal the dang thing already.  Use some of Paul's plan and some of Cruz's plan and get on with it!  It is my understanding that there is also a bill in the archives that was passed by both Houses which Bammy failed to sign. That bill could be used as well.  Playing in the backroom and blowing smoke isn't going to cut it anymore!

The sad part is that just 4 Conservatives are working for us.  I want full repeal also.  When they are the lone 4 all I can say is thank you to those 4 , hope and pray that they can make changes that benefit us.

[Hoodat]

The sad part is that just 4 Conservatives are working for us.

Five, now with Sen. Heller of Nevada.