Dem: Congress will begin impeachment if Trump fires Mueller, Rosenstein

[Oceander]

Absolutely spot on Victor and the SOLE purpose of it all is to prevent any and all swamp draining!  Trump is a nuclear missile aimed directly at the swamp and the swamp dwellers ALL know it!

Trump is part and parcel of the swamp.  Always has been, always will be.  It's how you get ahead in NYC real estate development.

What do you think that nonsense with Comey about going easy on his friend was all about?  That's how the swamp operates. 

[Hoodat]

Do not forget that impeachment is political and therefore doesn't require a criminal act.

Not true.  Per the Constitution:

Article II, Sec 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Article I, Sec 3
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.  When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.  When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:  And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.

Clearly, some sort of crime is necessary for impeachment.  One cannot be impeached for a political reason, but must instead be accused of an actual crime.

Which is what obstruction of justice is.  And which it is why you brought it.

So yes, obstruction of justice is indeed a crime.  Which expands back to the original question.  Where is the obstruction of justice?  There would first have to be a criminal investigation to obstruct.

[XenaLee]

Not true.  Per the Constitution:

Article II, Sec 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Article I, Sec 3
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.  When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.  When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:  And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.

Clearly, some sort of crime is necessary for impeachment.  One cannot be impeached for a political reason, but must instead be accused of an actual crime.

Which is what obstruction of justice is.  And which it is why you brought it.

So yes, obstruction of justice is indeed a crime.  Which expands back to the original question.  Where is the obstruction of justice?  There would first have to be a criminal investigation to obstruct.

And the kicker is..... the Dems have absolutely no proof at all of any crime having been committed by Trump. 

[Oceander]

Not true.  Per the Constitution:

Article II, Sec 4
The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


Article I, Sec 3
The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.  When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.  When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside:  And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachments shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust, or Profit under the United States, but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment, and Punishmnet, according to Law.

Clearly, some sort of crime is necessary for impeachment.  One cannot be impeached for a political reason, but must instead be accused of an actual crime.

Which is what obstruction of justice is.  And which it is why you brought it.

So yes, obstruction of justice is indeed a crime.  Which expands back to the original question.  Where is the obstruction of justice?  There would first have to be a criminal investigation to obstruct.

Nope.  I know you won't accept it, so I'll make it short and sweet: what counts as a high crime or misdemeanor is a political decision, not something bound by the existing federal criminal code. 

Believe what you want - facts and reality have never stopped most people from doing so - but the fact is that if Trump gets impeached, obstruction of justice based on his extremely unseemly attempt to get Comey to leave Flynn alone will be a count.  And if he is successfully impeached on that count, the Supreme Court won't touch his conviction with a 100 foot pole.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do not forget that impeachment is political and therefore doesn't require a criminal act.   

What the hell are you talking about?

[Rivergirl]

And if .DT continues to exhibit his overwrought rantings there will be a democrat congress

[jpsb]

Trying to interfere with an ongoing investigation.  Do not forget that impeachment is political and therefore doesn't require a criminal act. 

And yes, trying to stifle an investigation into one of his friends is something a president could very well get into trouble for. 

Trump should have kept his damned mouth shut.

How many people have been found guilty of "hoping". Trump as the chief law enforcer in the country could have legally stopped the Flynn investigation any time he wanted. Comey is a liar and a Clinton crony as is Mueller.

[Oceander]

What the hell are you talking about?

Something you wouldn't know anything about, which leaves the field pretty wide open. 

[Oceander]

How many people have been found guilty of "hoping". Trump as the chief law enforcer in the country could have legally stopped the Flynn investigation any time he wanted. Comey is a liar and a Clinton crony as is Mueller.

Maybe so, but Trump just keeps feeding them the rope they'll eventually need to hang him. 

[jpsb]

I am torn on this.  On one hand, firing Mueller and Rosenstein would seem to be the common sense thing to do, considering their obvious anti-Trump bias.  However.... it is probably too late to do so now.... and firing Mueller & Rosenstein is exactly what the radical left and RINO Trump haters want him to do. 

So I would have to say...hell no.   Let them muck about, wasting taxpayer money trying to find something, anything, with which to hang Trump on.... and let Trump point that out to voting taxpayers...

every.. single.. day.   

Trump should rub their noses in it.... re: how the Dems (America's enemy within) are wasting time, money and energy trying to destroy a duly elected president..... even while America's enemies without are busily making plans to destroy us.

Yup

[Right_in_Virginia]

And if .DT continues to exhibit his overwrought rantings there will be a democrat congress

Fingers crossed @Rivergirl ?

[Bigun]

No one!  I repeat no one in Washington thinks there is a chance in hell of impeaching Trump over this!  EVERY bit of it is aimed at gumming up the works and preventing his getting anything done for a long as possible!

[Right_in_Virginia]

Something you wouldn't know anything about, which leaves the field pretty wide open.

Well it obvious the voices you're listening to know nothing about the US Constitution, ..... so they're rather moot.

[Oceander]

Well it obvious the voices you're listening to know nothing about the US Constitution, ..... so they're rather moot.

Sport, my shoes know more about the Constitution than you do.

[Oceander]

No one!  I repeat no one in Washington thinks there is a chance in hell of impeaching Trump over this!  EVERY bit of it is aimed at gumming up the works and preventing his getting anything done for a long as possible!

Ahhh.  So you mean he is absolutely and totally paralyzed, cannot even nominate anyone to fill any of the open offices that need filling, until all of this goes away?  Cannot draft even a single line of proposed legislation until all of this goes away?  Cannot use the bully pulpit to present a thoughtful, nuanced policy discussion to the country until all of this goes away?  That's a crock, sport, and you know it.  He'd much rather fight this one in the mud than do anything that might look like an attempt to govern. 

[Bigun]

Ahhh.  So you mean he is absolutely and totally paralyzed, cannot even nominate anyone to fill any of the open offices that need filling, until all of this goes away?  Cannot draft even a single line of proposed legislation until all of this goes away?  Cannot use the bully pulpit to present a thoughtful, nuanced policy discussion to the country until all of this goes away?  That's a crock, sport, and you know it.  He'd much rather fight this one in the mud than do anything that might look like an attempt to govern.

Nope! Never said a word of that and as far as I can determine he is doing as much of that as he can on his own initiative!

[Oceander]

Nope! Never said a word of that and as far as I can determine he is doing as much of that as he can on his own initiative!

So then why not leave the sideshow alone and start acting like a responsible adult?  Why keep picking the scab and upping the ante?  It takes two to tango and Trump is making sure his dance card runneth over.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Sport, my shoes know more about the Constitution than you do.

Oh, goodie .... another "Saturday with Oceander".

Not this time.

 

[musiclady]

And if .DT continues to exhibit his overwrought rantings there will be a democrat congress

Just as Obama's self-absorbed, childish behavior led to the downfall of the Democrats, so will Trump's exact behavior lead to the downfall of what's left of the Republican party.

[Oceander]

Oh, goodie .... another "Saturday with Oceander".

Not this time.

 

I always welcome a break from your inanity.  Good bye and good riddance.

[Oceander]

Just as Obama's self-absorbed, childish behavior led to the downfall of the Democrats, so will Trump's exact behavior lead to the downfall of what's left of the Republican party.

[240B]

Ok @Oceander yet another wacko Leftist on the board. HAHAHA!

Hooray for you. Go find your bothers, and they can all speak for you. You know, since all you guys all chant in unison.

[mystery-ak]

Stop the personal insults...move on and get back on topic.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Sport, my shoes know more about the Constitution than you do.

Are you sure you really want to go with a shoe size reference?   

[bigheadfred]

Totally up the combined mental age of a large portion of the posting group brings the total to 2.375.

All fighting over one teddy bear.

nice