Trump: Why is Clinton not investigated but I am?

[Emjay]

The hell you say.

The hell you say sommore!

Yes, in fact, it is. If the Reublicans want my vote, and the votes of millions of others like me, all they need to do is show me the beef. But they won't, because it's all bullshit.

Suuure. That's what the Republicans said thirty years ago too. And bupkis. Screw em.

I am. I called every one of my reps, for instance, to tell them if they vote to fix obamacare instead of the repeal they promised, I would campaign directly against them. And that is no empty threat.

No you're mistaken. I ain't the one whining here. That'd be that idiot at the head of the Republican party.

Sorry, it sounded like extreme whining but I'll just conclude that you are disgruntled in the extreme.

[roamer_1]

Sorry, it sounded like extreme whining but I'll just conclude that you are disgruntled in the extreme.

Not even a little bit.
There's just no there there.
Raise the Conservative battle standard over a liberal leftard and this is what you get. A whole bucket of oh hell no. 

carry on.

[Silver Pines]

Calm down @CatherineofAragon   I didn't say "Americans".  I was referring to Republican/Conservative politicians.

And, yes, I do expect them to fight for the titular head of our political party.  And I expect them to fight hard .... even if that upsets  you.

@Right_in_Virginia

Well, what do you think Republicans and conservatives are---Ethiopians ?

Look, Trump said it himself---it's the Republican Party, not the Conservative party.  He doesn't want my help, so he can get by without it.

Besides, you just said that no one has the guts and fortitude to fight like Trump.  A warrior doesn't need  others to fight his battles, so this makes no sense.

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Well, what do you think Republicans and conservatives are---Ethiopians ?

Look, Trump said it himself---it's the Republican Party, not the Conservative party.  He doesn't want my help, so he can get by without it.

Besides, you just said that no one has the guts and fortitude to fight like Trump.  A warrior doesn't need  others to fight his battles, so this makes no sense.

Sorry, @CatherineofAragon .... I'm just not in the mood to debate this.   

[roamer_1]

Not until he proves that he's worthy of support.  So far he's a pathetic failure on that point.  Only fascists and liberals demand party unity and loyalty for the sake of unity and loyalty.

What provides unity and loyalty on the right are principles... Which is why pragmatism is always wrong.

[roamer_1]

Well, what do you think Republicans and conservatives are---Ethiopians ?

Yes, it seems we have the national socialists' example of 'the Won.

Look, Trump said it himself---it's the Republican Party, not the Conservative party.  He doesn't want my help, so he can get by without it.

I dunno about you @CatherineofAragon , but I was told over and over that my help was neither needed or desired. 

[Silver Pines]

Not even a little bit.
There's just no there there.
Raise the Conservative battle standard over a liberal leftard and this is what you get. A whole bucket of oh hell no. 

carry on.

@roamer_1   Th

No, see, what you're expected to do is to keep taking blows and cracks across the face, no matter how many times that politician tells you he's sorry and he'll do better next time.  And when the cop comes, you stand there with your bruises and tell him, well, I just want to give him another chance.

Hard pass.

[Silver Pines]

Yes, it seems we have the national socialists' example of 'the Won.

I dunno about you @CatherineofAragon , but I was told over and over that my help was neither needed or desired. 

@roamer_1

Oh, I remember that well. 

[Mesaclone]

What provides unity and loyalty on the right are principles... Which is why pragmatism is always wrong.

The principles YOU perceive as conservative are supported by 15-20% of the American public. If you were to break off and start your own party, you would do nothing but divide the vote on the right half of the political spectrum, while facing a united Left half. In that scenario, the Left rules supreme...gets every policy it wants, appoints all the justices at all levels, and in time makes it nearly criminal to NOT be liberal. So what you are "fighting" for brings all of us virtually unending liberal rule of the country...a statist socialism that will be impossible to overturn. And spare me empty claims of that's what we have now....cause, bubby, you ain't seen nothing yet. A liberal monopoly on power will bring on things you can only dream of in your worst political nightmars....think 1984 light.

While you believe you are fighting for principle, the result of your action is a liberal monopoly on the nation. So, if your principle is resulting in the destruction of all things conservative...well...how dumb is that on your part? Given that, anyone with at least a remnant of a brain would come up with a better tactic...its rather obvious that supporting the more conservative of the two parties is the rational course. This will not, of course, sway you...because you are so principled that you'd rather destroy this "great experiment" of nation just so you can sit comfortably on your high horse.

Brilliant plan.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I dunno about you , but I was told over and over that my help was neither needed or desired. 

Well, some people certainly think highly of themselves. 

No one's asking for the average American citizen's help with this.  The support is needed from members of the Republican caucus, not political chat rooms.   

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1   Th

No, see, what you're expected to do is to keep taking blows and cracks across the face, no matter how many times that politician tells you he's sorry and he'll do better next time.  And when the cop comes, you stand there with your bruises and tell him, well, I just want to give him another chance.

Hard pass.

@CatherineofAragon

Yup. That don't sound like fun at all. Then all you hear is just one more punch in the face... for the TEAM!

meh.

Not my dog. not my fight. I will stand and die for Lady Liberty. But that ain't what this is.

This is just two crack whores fighting over who gets the bigger cut from the pimp-daddy.

That sorta thing, I'll just walk on by... 

[roamer_1]

The principles YOU perceive as conservative are supported by 15-20% of the American public.

According to the 'fake news' you otherwise ignore... which negates the rest of your screed.

[Emjay]

I thought we were discussing why Hillary is not being investigated and Trump is.

[roamer_1]

Well, some people certainly think highly of themselves. 

No one's asking for the average American citizen's help with this.  The support is needed from members of the Republican caucus, not political chat rooms.

Then have at it.

[Mesaclone]

@CatherineofAragon

Yup. That don't sound like fun at all. Then all you hear is just one more punch in the face... for the TEAM!

meh.

Not my dog. not my fight. I will stand and die for Lady Liberty. But that ain't what this is.

This is just two crack whores fighting over who gets the bigger cut from the pimp-daddy.

That sorta thing, I'll just walk on by... 

What you are doing is destroying Lady Liberty by handing the nation to the Left on a silver platter, so your protestations of "stand and die" are the kind of empty bravado that starts conflict but flees once the battle is under way. I knew a few guys like that in the army...sad to see that the civilian populace is troubled with them as well.

[Cripplecreek]

Not even you believe that.  There's no way you've lied that much to yourself.

What he's backtracked on so far:

No border wall

No Obamacare repeal

No prosecution of Hillary

Iran deal is still in place

Went soft on trade issues with China

No tax reform

NATO is suddenly not "obsolete"

DACA is still in place

ExIm Bank still running

H1-B visa operation still going

China still not labeled a currency manipulator

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/29/every-promise-president-trump-has-broken-that-candidate-trump-made/


Those are things that inspired people to vote for him and all of his defenders here kept pointing to to try and bolster his invisible Conservative credentials.

No one of them have happened and none of them are going to happen.

That swamp he promised to drain is still there...it's getting bigger and deeper and it still stinks.

Nuthin but con.

Days after accusing Qatar of funding terrorism he approves selling them billions in weapons.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,267394.msg1357830.html#msg1357830

[RoosGirl]

The principles YOU perceive as conservative are supported by 15-20% of the American public. If you were to break off and start your own party, you would do nothing but divide the vote on the right half of the political spectrum, while facing a united Left half. In that scenario, the Left rules supreme...gets every policy it wants, appoints all the justices at all levels, and in time makes it nearly criminal to NOT be liberal. So what you are "fighting" for brings all of us virtually unending liberal rule of the country...a statist socialism that will be impossible to overturn. And spare me empty claims of that's what we have now....cause, bubby, you ain't seen nothing yet. A liberal monopoly on power will bring on things you can only dream of in your worst political nightmars....think 1984 light.

While you believe you are fighting for principle, the result of your action is a liberal monopoly on the nation. So, if your principle is resulting in the destruction of all things conservative...well...how dumb is that on your part? Given that, anyone with at least a remnant of a brain would come up with a better tactic...its rather obvious that supporting the more conservative of the two parties is the rational course. This will not, of course, sway you...because you are so principled that you'd rather destroy this "great experiment" of nation just so you can sit comfortably on your high horse.

Brilliant plan.

15 - 20% huh?  Sounds like the fiscal conservatives need to be a bit more pragmatic with us fiscal and social conservatives then and stop telling us we need to go along with whatever they say.

[Emjay]

What you are doing is destroying Lady Liberty by handing the nation to the Left on a silver platter, so your protestations of "stand and die" are the kind of empty bravado that starts conflict but flees once the battle is under way. I knew a few guys like that in the army...sad to see that the civilian populace is troubled with them as well.

You probably didn't want them in the foxhole with you.

[Mesaclone]

According to the 'fake news' you otherwise ignore... which negates the rest of your screed.

No, that's according to electoral history and valid polling sources. If you think half the country has the same principles as you....you've gone to goofy land. Almost half the country is leaning left and another healthy percentage are solidly centrist.

[roamer_1]

What you are doing is destroying Lady Liberty by handing the nation to the Left on a silver platter, so your protestations of "stand and die" are the kind of empty bravado that starts conflict but flees once the battle is under way. I knew a few guys like that in the army...sad to see that the civilian populace is troubled with them as well.

Then go knock yourself out. Use a Liberal to fight liberalism, I can't stop you. But I sure won't help you either.

[roamer_1]

No, that's according to electoral history and valid polling sources. If you think half the country has the same principles as you....you've gone to goofy land. Almost half the country is leaning left and another healthy percentage are solidly centrist.

Then go bother them for support.

[Mesaclone]

15 - 20% huh?  Sounds like the fiscal conservatives need to be a bit more pragmatic with us fiscal and social conservatives then and stop telling us we need to go along with whatever they say.

No one is saying that....the disparate elements of the party are free to debate, argue and battle through the primaries...and then we unite against the true danger. If we fail at that, we aren't upholding "principles", we are simply losing...and handing the nation over to rabid socialists. Had Cruz won, I'd have been glad to vote for him...ditto for all the GOP candidates minus Kasich. You can't advance conservatism if the Dems are perpetually in power...so we unite or we fail. Its that simple....and for me, failure is not a strategy I'm willing to accept.

[RoosGirl]

No one is saying that....the disparate elements of the party are free to debate, argue and battle through the primaries...and then we unite against the true danger. If we fail at that, we aren't upholding "principles", we are simply losing...and handing the nation over to rabid socialists.

Really?  We're told we need to be a-okay with a watered down Republican "fix" for Obamacare instead of the repeal that Trump ran on.  Sounds like the Republicans are failing all by themselves.

[Mesaclone]

Then go knock yourself out. Use a Liberal to fight liberalism, I can't stop you. But I sure won't help you either.

Liberals don't appoint Judge Gorsuch and nominate a raft of conservative lower court justices.
Liberals don't strengthen the military.
Liberals don't appoint a cabinet full of staunch conservatives.
Liberals don't do executive orders repealing bureacracy.
Liberals don't pull us out of the Paris agreement.
Liberals don't reduce immigration in the first 6 months by 59%.

As for helping, you've made it clear that you'll stick to helping Liberalism regain power in the nation...your actions are clearly working to make that occur. Clearly, you're proud of that.

[roamer_1]

If we fail at that, we aren't upholding "principles", we are simply losing...

What you don't understand is that without upholding the principles you are losing ANYWAY.