How Will Recent Shootings Affect RTKBA Efforts Across The Country

[txradioguy]

How do you think the recent spate of shootings will effect people's perceptions on issues like gun ownership, Constitutional Carry legislation, Castle defense laws etc?

Do you think like with the two shootings today and the other recent workplace violence incidents it will speed a loosening of the stranglehold politics has on the 2nd Amendment, or cause people pushing more freedom for gun owners to pull back for fear of a backlash?

Curious to know people's thoughts on this.

[driftdiver]

How?   As always the left will gleefully trample the bloody bodies of victims to further their political agenda.

[txradioguy]

How?   As always the left will gleefully trample the bloody bodies of victims to further their political agenda.

Yeah I can see some like McAwful in Virginia doing that...as he's already trying to play politics off of the shooting this morning...IMO I'm thinking that people will start to come around to realizing that the only way they are going to be able to be safe these days is if they provide for their own security.  And that means ignoring people like the Virginia governor and supporting pro 2A politicians.

I just see...and maybe I'm wrong...the cries of the gun grabbers falling more and more on deaf ears.

[Mom MD]

Yeah I can see some like McAwful in Virginia doing that...as he's already trying to play politics off of the shooting this morning...IMO I'm thinking that people will start to come around to realizing that the only way they are going to be able to be safe these days is if they provide for their own security.  And that means ignoring people like the Virginia governor and supporting pro 2A politicians.

I just see...and maybe I'm wrong...the cries of the gun grabbers falling more and more on deaf ears.

I hope so but I am glad I have my AR-15 before they are banned.  I would hate to be outgunned by any bad guy trying to invade my home

[txradioguy]

I hope so but I am glad I have my AR-15 before they are banned.  I would hate to be outgunned by any bad guy trying to invade my home

I still need to get an AR...every time I ask myself why I would need one...something happens in the world that reminds me of why it needs to be added to to my list.

My wife and I are of the same mindset...we don't ever want to be out gunned.

In a way its kinda sad to have to think that way and prepare like that...but it's the world we live in. 

[Cripplecreek]

These incidents have a recent tendency to help 2nd amendment supporters but we should never count on that holding true forever.

Time and time again have proven that the collective opinions of Americans can turn on a dime.

[Smokin Joe]

How do you think the recent spate of shootings will effect people's perceptions on issues like gun ownership, Constitutional Carry legislation, Castle defense laws etc?

Do you think like with the two shootings today and the other recent workplace violence incidents it will speed a loosening of the stranglehold politics has on the 2nd Amendment, or cause people pushing more freedom for gun owners to pull back for fear of a backlash?

Curious to know people's thoughts on this.

The left will push this as a 'random' shooting to the best of their abilities.

That won't work, because the shooter was specifically targeting Republicans, and shooting Scalise first instead of going for closer targets may mean that the shooter's intent was to kill Scalise and then hide that specific targeting in a larger number of victims in an effort to make the event look more random. with only five victims and estimates from 50 to 100 rounds, either the shooter wasn't a very good shot, or wasted a lot of ammo to appear amateur.

Capitol Hill Police were shot for the obvious reason that they could return fire.

The random mass shooting narrative breaks down in the face of a targeted group with politics in opposition to the shooter's, and perhaps targeting a specific individual.

The shooter has not been identified, but Rep. Ron DeSantis related to Fox News a frightening encounter he had with an individual matching the shooter’s description. DeSantis said he left the practice early, but on his way out he was approached by a man asking whether there were Republicans or Democrats on the field. Whether that had much or anything to do with the motive behind the shooting, it’s premature to say.

From:
http://thehayride.com/2017/06/breaking-scalise-aides-shot-baseball-field-morning/#ixzz4k10Cm1Rt
As of that article being posted, (and from the link above)

The shooter has not been identified, but was also hit in the 10-minute gun battle with Scalise’s security detail and officers of the Alexandria, Virginia police department that followed.

The gun control arguments fall on their face in the account of person(s) returning fire and giving others time to get under cover. Only an armed response kept this from being far worse and prevented the shooter from maneuvering about the field hunting down those who had taken cover. 

[Smokin Joe]

Yeah I can see some like McAwful in Virginia doing that...as he's already trying to play politics off of the shooting this morning...IMO I'm thinking that people will start to come around to realizing that the only way they are going to be able to be safe these days is if they provide for their own security.  And that means ignoring people like the Virginia governor and supporting pro 2A politicians.

I just see...and maybe I'm wrong...the cries of the gun grabbers falling more and more on deaf ears.

Everything depends on what "facts" get out. That depends on the conflicting forces of the MSM and 'small' media. People will be inclined to believe what they want to, and the MSM won't do anything to change the minds of gun grabbers out there. I do believe the more they ballyhoo a ban, especially considering the BLM/Antifa/Islamic events in Britain, the more people on the fence will realize that they are better off armed. I just think there are fewer on the fence than ever.

[txradioguy]

Everything depends on what "facts" get out. That depends on the conflicting forces of the MSM and 'small' media. People will be inclined to believe what they want to, and the MSM won't do anything to change the minds of gun grabbers out there. I do believe the more they ballyhoo a ban, especially considering the BLM/Antifa/Islamic events in Britain, the more people on the fence will realize that they are better off armed. I just think there are fewer on the fence than ever.

Well we know the left is going to do everything within their power to distance themselves from one of their own that did this crime.

It would be nice if Scalise...when healthy...or one of the other Congress Criters out there for practice there stepped up and said "the incident today is reason #1 why the unconstitutional restrictions placed on the 2nd Amendment need to be loosened as soon as possible." And then point out the fact that the shooting would have been much worse because of gun laws in DC if the protective detail hadn't been there to return fire.

[goodwithagun]

I hope so but I am glad I have my AR-15 before they are banned.  I would hate to be outgunned by any bad guy trying to invade my home

We lost all our guns and precious metals in a tragic accident. Damned blimp fell right outta the sky!

[txradioguy]

We lost all our guns and precious metals in a tragic accident. Damned blimp fell right outta the sky!

That's gonna be my story that I stick with too! 

[Smokin Joe]

We lost all our guns and precious metals in a tragic accident. Damned blimp fell right outta the sky!

Hard times, had to thin the herd.

I wonder if anyone would donate to a gofundme so I could buy more guns? 

[txradioguy]

Hard times, had to thin the herd.

I wonder if anyone would donate to a gofundme so I could buy more guns? 

If I end up getting a couple more that I want we could look into maybe doing a little horse trading. 

[txradioguy]

I used to be one of those that believed honestly that the police were there to protect me the individual instead of their actual job of maintaining public order.

But after having seen how the criminals have been given free reign thanks to the Liberals...the restrictions placed on LEO's these days (again thanks to the Liberals) and four tours into combat zones...I've come to realize that the only one that will truly do everything possible to protect myself and my family is me.

I just hope more people either wake up...or stand up...and realize this hard fact of reality like I did.

[XenaLee]

How do you think the recent spate of shootings will effect people's perceptions on issues like gun ownership, Constitutional Carry legislation, Castle defense laws etc?

Do you think like with the two shootings today and the other recent workplace violence incidents it will speed a loosening of the stranglehold politics has on the 2nd Amendment, or cause people pushing more freedom for gun owners to pull back for fear of a backlash?

Curious to know people's thoughts on this.

I think guns & ammo sales will skyrocket again.... like they did under Obama.  I think gun range participation will increase (again, like under Obama).  And I think recruitment will increase for groups like this.....

http://texascitizensmilitia.com/

I think the right will double down every step of the way when the left doubles down.  It's reactionary, but it's better than apathy..... which would get us killed in the long run too.

[endicom]

I just see...and maybe I'm wrong...the cries of the gun grabbers falling more and more on deaf ears.

You may be right. This newfangled internet thing is bringing the horrors of the world in to sight. One thing seen is that not armies, intelligence services or police forces can prevent the baddies from slicing and dicing you if they're so determined. That puts the responsibility for defending yourself back on you.

Who defended the Kurds but the Kurds?

[Smokin Joe]

I used to be one of those that believed honestly that the police were there to protect me the individual instead of their actual job of maintaining public order.

But after having seen how the criminals have been given free reign thanks to the Liberals...the restrictions placed on LEO's these days (again thanks to the Liberals) and four tours into combat zones...I've come to realize that the only one that will truly do everything possible to protect myself and my family is me.

I just hope more people either wake up...or stand up...and realize this hard fact of reality like I did.

I got over that quickly, living in a county with three deputies on patrol any given night (many more than that, now).

Long ago, I was staying with a  friend who resembles me enough people thought us brothers, and who had received a death threat from a fellow with a history of violence.

When that fellow came up for release, we visited the Sheriff, and that was when I got my first pistol permit, on the spot, two dollar fee, and an admonition to be sure we were the ones who filled out the paperwork if anything happened.
My, how things have changed. I still have a CCW, but ND went to Constitutional carry for residents after a year in residence if they have no criminal/mental health/substance abuse disqualifiers (if you can legally own one, you can carry it, with limits).  I keep the permit because constitutional carry doesn't give you out of state reciprocity.

[Smokin Joe]

If I end up getting a couple more that I want we could look into maybe doing a little horse trading. 

Stranger things have happened.