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[Jazzhead]

Without the 2nd Amendment...the rest of the Bill of Rights would have been ripped up years ago.

IN all honesty...the second Amendment is about the only thing that keeps our Federal government from completely turning into a Liberal dictatorship.

No one's attacking the Second Amendment.   The issue is federalism.   The RKBA is not a license for open carry.   It is up to the states to regulate such matters.   

[EC]

The RKBA is not a license for open carry.

Do you have a different definition of the word "bear" than the rest of the world?

[bigheadfred]

You've got it ass-backwards.

That power is exercised at the ballot box.   Not by force of arms.  What is outrageous is that the people DID make their decision - fairly, within the rules - at the ballot box.  And now idiots with rifles are trying to USURP the prerogatives of the people.

Just for that I am coming over to your house to throw darts at your poster of Pol Pot. 

When you give up the ability and means to go knock the king off the hill by force of arms you are done.

[txradioguy]

Can you cite a single case holding that a community's restriction on open carry in the public square violates the Second Amendment?

It's right there in the 2nd Amendment itself.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."   

There is nothing in that very plain and clear language that allows for "community's restriction on open carry in the public square"

So the very fact that communities place restrictions on people carrying their firearms in any way shape or form is indeed a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.

[Sanguine]

Showing what "militant ignorance" looks like.

[TomSea]

Judge Scalia himself said it was open to debate on whether a shoulder fired missile could be included in the right to bear arms as a fire arm. So, right there, we have a grey area from the days of our founding fathers and what they meant.  That's what judge Scalia discussed.

[Silver Pines]

  The RKBA is not a license for open carry.   

@Jazzhead


The 2nd Amendment says nothing about the method of bearing arms.  You're arguing for a restriction which isn't there.

[Jazzhead]

It's right there in the 2nd Amendment itself.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."   

There is nothing in that very plain and clear language that allows for "community's restriction on open carry in the public square"

So the very fact that communities place restrictions on people carrying their firearms in any way shape or form is indeed a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment.

But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you?   Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?   

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead


The 2nd Amendment says nothing about the method of bearing arms.  You're arguing for a restriction which isn't there.

I'm arguing for the traditional role of communities to regulate the open carry of firearms in public places.  That's federalism, that's state sovereignty.   That's something that any conservative should support.   

Is it a good idea or a bad idea?   That's not the point - what's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania.   

[EC]

But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you?   Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?

PLAIN bleep ENGLISH DOES NOT NEED LEGAL CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!

[txradioguy]

But you can cite no case authority that agrees with you?   Over 200 years now and not one case that agrees with you?

Ummm I just did...I cited the Constitution of the United States.  The 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights.

That's the only "case authority" anyone needs.

Only Liberals want to take very clear cut language like what is in the 2nd Amendment and muddle it with legalese in order to take away a persons basic right.

[Bigun]

Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!

[Jazzhead]

Only Liberals want to take very clear cut language like what is in the 2nd Amendment and muddle it with legalese in order to take away a persons basic right.

Federalism is not "legalese".  State sovereignty is not "legalese".  What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts. 

Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?   

[Jazzhead]

PLAIN bleep ENGLISH DOES NOT NEED LEGAL CLARIFICATION!!!!!!!

Posting in caps doesn't convert ignorance into wisdom.   Over 200 years and not one court case suggesting that the RKBA conveys a right to open carry is ample proof that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what the gun extremists think it does.  States and communities have rights too.   

[txradioguy]

Federalism is not "legalese".  State sovereignty is not "legalese".  What is shocking is that so many so-called conservatives reject these concepts.

Even the Federalists that were involved in the framing of the Constitution and the writing of the Declaration of Independence   would want what they wrote and agreed upon to get twisted into your warped view of what Federalism and states rights are.

Why should Pennsylvania be forced to adopt Texas' gun culture?

Because the 2nd Amendment says so.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The 2nd Amendment is a power delegated to the United States by the Constitution...this is one of those areas where the 9th and 10th Amendment have no power or ability to make laws that contravene what is clearly defined as a power of the Federal Government.

Your argument...ok lack of knowledge of what is granted to the states in the 9th and 10th Amendments...totally negates your attempt to give states permission to ignore the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms in any manner a citizen of the United States chooses to do so.

[Wingnut]

Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!

QFT

[txradioguy]

Once again I ask that you not FEED THE TROLL!

I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.

[Silver Pines]

I'm arguing for the traditional role of communities to regulate the open carry of firearms in public places.  That's federalism, that's state sovereignty.   That's something that any conservative should support.   

Is it a good idea or a bad idea?   That's not the point - what's right for Texas may not be right for Pennsylvania.   

@Jazzhead

No, what you're arguing for is the "right" for states/communities to add their own restrictions to the 2ndA. 

[bigheadfred]

deontology vs consequentialism

[Jazzhead]

I look at it more as we're giving the Liberal the education on the Constitution he didn't get in school.

Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.   

[Sanguine]

Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.

That is "with ignorance".

[Jazzhead]

@Jazzhead

No, what you're arguing for is the "right" for states/communities to add their own restrictions to the 2ndA.

States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic.  There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.   

Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square.  Stay the hell out of my state.   

[bigheadfred]

in spades

[catfish1957]

Unless and until you can cite a court case that agrees with your position, I will dismiss it as ignorance.

Not surprised at your left of center rhetoric.  Your wholesale defense of anything Islamic provided a strong hint.

[catfish1957]

States and communities have had the right to regulate open carry from the founding of the Republic.  There is no court case - none - that says otherwise.   

Move to Texas if you want to wave your rifle in the public square.  Stay the hell out of my state.

And vice versa....we don't like liberals.